Is Southern California really that bad?

Is Southern California really that bad?

Investor · Redlands, CA · Member since 2013 · 177 posts · 76 votes

Hi everyone,

I'm a new BP member living in southern California. I haven't quite found my niche yet, but I find myself being really drawn to the buy and hold type of investing.

It seems like buy and hold investing is a bit tougher out here in this area, and that getting a 1% monthly rent to value is not so easy. I'm basing this on what I hear from various podcasts and blogs since I don't have any real experience in the area (other than a purchase I negotiated for my Dad in 2010). Most of what I've seen talked about in Southern California is flipping, rehabs, spec home building, and commercial real estate.

Now I know that someone must own all of these houses people are renting in my area, so how are people finding success? and is it possible for someone like me, who makes a good income but hasn't had time to save large sums of money, to purchase and rent property in an expensive market like this one? I don't mind saving and being patient if I know it will make sense to be a landlord here.

Sure there are cheaper areas around, but still, I would find myself paying upwards of a 150,000 dollars for a small house in a run down, less appealing area. Is out of state investing a legitimate alternative? That seems like it would be a very difficult endeavor.

I'm sure the answer to succeeding in So Cal has something to do with lots of hard work, patience, and experience, as it is with most things. But I would love to hear what some BP members think about succeeding in my area, or perhaps some alternatives to investing locally.

I'm all ears! Thanks guys.

Trevor

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Lender · Greater LA/Orange County area, CA · Member since 2012 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
12y

If you are afraid of missing out on the real estate investment opportunity boom, which is what you've described, beginning by purchasing out of state properties is not, in my opinion, a very sound strategy.

There's nothing like discovering what you don't know but should have known, only to complicate a problem or mistake by hundreds of miles of distance between you and the investment. I've met a ton of people in CA still waiting for their Memphis/St.Louis/Detroit/Texas rentals to finally pan out. They won't; it's a sucker bet for newbies.

Learn the business first by studying, observing, attending and participating. During the last property cycle, the gal who cuts my hair would quiz me about real estate investing. When I suggested that she ought to begin by reading up on the subject first, she scoffed "Oh no, I'm too busy for that!"

The best investment that you'll ever make is in yourself. That is, learn everything you can now. Set a budget and invest X dollars in books, audio files, attend real estate investment club events and maybe some home study courses. Even this course of action has its detractors and there are plenty of Dream Merchants willing to take your money and sell you BS.

And be careful of the naked man who offers you his shirt.

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  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    I've had more challenges with our SFRs that are one hour away than any problems with our rentals in better areas in Florida. FL is also fairly tenant friendly, other than non-payment of rent, but we were able to buy really good properties at the bottom of the crash. Those neighborhoods didn't deteriorate with the crash, as did the one where our SFRs are...not that it was ever a great area in the best of times.

    Investing in an area where there is a large pool of decent tenants makes life easier. If a "less desirable" area still has a good pool of applicants, working class vs. war zone/no income, that's where the opportunity is.

    And @Ali Boone, I lived in Venice/Santa Monica in the early/mid '80s and I remember Venice being a dump filled with drug dealers and homeless - far from trendy! Although apartments near the beach always rented for high prices...never mind the criminal element right on the sidewalks.

  • Real Estate Coach · Venice Beach, CA · Member since 2012 · 6k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    Oh totally @Aly W.. That's why purchase prices were actually feasible back then. The city (or state, whoever) has really cleaned up Venice a lot. There are still plenty of homeless, high, and crazy people walking around but it's much safer now and a really fun hip place to live. But, of course, then real estate prices reflect that too unfortunately. I pay $300 more per month in rent for my little bachelor apartment (meaning no kitchen) then I did on my mortgage on my 3-story house in Atlanta :)

  • Homeowner · Lemoore, CA · Member since 2013 · 30 posts · 6 votes
    12y

    Having lived in SoCal (San Diego area) I realized I want to do buy and hold. After reading this thread, it feels as if flipping houses would be a better start. Also to have a solid plan before starting.
    Quick question though, what is everyone opinions on purchasing property in Carson, CA?

  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 71 posts · 16 votes
    12y

    I live in Orange County, and I'm not even considering investing in OC. Even run down Santa Ana houses are way too expensive. If you want to pay $200,000 for a tiny run down house in a questionable area that only rents for $1,000 have at it. Or how about $400,000 duplexes in gang heavy neighborhoods. I'll pass.

    On Friday, since I have the day off from work, I'm heading out to the inland empire with my real estate agent to check out properties in the $100,000 range. I don't know what I'm in for, I guess I'll find out on Friday.

  • Real Estate Broker · Orange, CA · Member since 2008 · 380 posts · 87 votes
    12y

    well... one less competitor : )

  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 71 posts · 16 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Ed Wood:
    well... one less competitor : )

    I never was. I can't afford houses around here. I have to start somewhere.

  • Real Estate Broker · Orange, CA · Member since 2008 · 380 posts · 87 votes
    12y

    @Jonathan M.

    I'm just kiddin anyway...

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    @Jonathan M.,

    You can get homes for around $100K in the Inland empire if you want to buy in the hood and war zone.

    Joe Gore

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    @Ed Wood,

    I see you are in southern LA are there still a lot of rent to own in the LA area.

    Joe Gore

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    Developer · Santa Clarita, CA · Member since 2008 · 15k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    12y

    The Antelope Valley is another area where you can find cash flow, but be prepared to have a higher managerial responsibility if you know what I mean!

  • Investor · PA · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 602 votes
    12y

    I'm curious why real estate in southern California is so expensive compared to many other parts of the country. Usually properties along the east coast here that are in bad parts of town would sell for much less (5k-30k range on the MLS). I guess there are more people there who can afford 100k even at the lower end of the spectrum.

  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 71 posts · 16 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:
    @Jonathan M.,

    You can get homes for around $100K in the Inland empire if you want to buy in the hood and war zone.

    Joe Gore

    The Inland Empire is the area I'm aiming towards at the moment. I'll be heading out there with my real estate agent to look at properties within the next few days.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Costa Mesa, CA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 380 votes
    12y

    You guys...

    Nothing in the Inland Empire can be considered a war zone. I promise.

    -Guy who owns plenty of doors in actual war zones

  • Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    @Trevor Lohman - I am also a new investor from LA who was looking into SFH with my dad in the Bakersfield or Inland Empire area. The insight from this thread has been great, and it appears that we need to do a ton of research (but that probably applies anywhere) in order to successfully buy and hold in SoCal. My roommates dad owns a few apt buildings in LA and I can reaffirm the difficulty of managing tenants in California - he constantly shares stories about difficult tenants, especially with regards to eviction.

    Perhaps some of us could combine our forces and look into different areas together?

  • Investor · Columbus , OH · Member since 2012 · 32 posts · 5 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Jassem A.:
    I'm curious why real estate in southern California is so expensive compared to many other parts of the country.

    this is sacrcasm right??

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    12y

    @Daniel Smilansky,

    How many units does he have in california?

    Joe Gore

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Moreno Valley, CA · Member since 2012 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Hello to all

    I am pretty new to bigger pockets and I haven't quite got the hang of all the useful areas of the website. But I plugged in some key words today and they led me to your comments. I am a broker who lives in the inland empire. You still can find some decent deal here in Moreno Valley, Menifee, Hemet, Perris and San Jacinto. But there are 2 challenges to investing in these area. The first is the area is saturated with investors, so you must come with a good offer and quickly. The second challenge has been a very low inventory which recently pushed the prices up very quickly. Prices in resale areas jumped 100k just recently. The prices are stable at the moment and I still see that good deal get picked up quick, but overall I would say with inventory rising and sale slowing you may still be able to find a good deal, but you have to watch for them consistently, and have the ability to jump at a moments notice. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion there are still many upside down homeowners here locally. The recent price gains gave many upside-down homeowners some relief, but some are still holding on to those upside down properties. And some of those who were fortunate enough to modify will/and are defaulting again. Right now prices are at the same level as when the boom started in about 2003, and I will add that sales are slowing. But this is normal for the holiday season. My guess would be come spring the prices will start to rise again as the demand rises and many once upside down homeowners can finally move on to their next home. More short-sales and foreclosures from folks who will received modification that really just gave them temporary relief. One good indication that I just noticed while driving around Moreno Valley less that an hour ago was 3 new construction projects. The builders know of the demand, this is the first new construction that I have seen in about 7 years. And one more point is the new construction is priced far above the resale.

    You could consider this speculation, ok lets just say this is speculation. I admit it. But do this, mark this post and read it again in August 2014.

  • Real Estate Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 4 votes
    12y

    @Account Closed He owns two 8 unit buildings.

  • London · Member since 2013 · 24 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    I strongly believe in researching an area before real commitment. I currently live across the pond in the UK and have a portfolio of property in Sarasota, Fl. The key is research and good people on the ground, you need a team.

    You can still easily buy 1% ($100,000) properties in good middle class areas in good school districts, the housing market was hit really hard in SW Florida with prices coming down in avg 75%, there is real value still to be had. If anybody wants any pointers, would be happy to do so.

    Good Luck where ever you buy, real estate creates wealth if done properly.

  • Investor · Westminster, CO · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Never take out of area investing advice from someone whom has never invested out of area!! That's like taking REI advice from your brother in law when he has never owned any investment real estate.

    I live in So Cal and have bought in Texas and Memphis and they are cash cows. I also have property in CO and OK. All of them making me money.

    And here is the kicker. I have NEVER seen the last ten houses I bought or even set foot in the state they are in. A professional home inspection, appraisal, BPO and PMPO is all I need.

    I did not buy Real Estate to buy myself a job, ie. become a landlord. I bought Real Estate so I would not have to work and I retired three years ago at age 50. And I really enjoyed Russia this summer.

    So explore out of area, it can be very good!

  • Real Estate Broker · Orange, CA · Member since 2008 · 380 posts · 87 votes
    12y

    2 cheapest house on the market in Orange County, 269k

    http://mrmlsmatrix.com/Matrix/Public/Portal.aspx?ID=26374027373

    There were 2 with a lower price but one was in an Auction and the other was in Trabuco Canyon (way out in the sticks) and I excluded short sales too.

  • Real Estate Broker · Orange, CA · Member since 2008 · 380 posts · 87 votes
    12y

    maybe because unemployment rate in May was 5.5%? (currently 6.2) : / I think our unemployment rate follows interest rates because all we do here is buy, fix, sell and refinance houses...

  • Investor · Redlands, CA · Member since 2013 · 177 posts · 76 votes
    12y

    @Jonathan M. You'll have to let me know what areas you are looking at in the Inland Empire. I did home health in the Inland Empire for a few years so I have a really good feel for all of the different areas.

    As far as there not being any war zones in the IE, that may be the case... but I have to say there are definitely some things I wish I could unsee after working in San Bernardino, Colton, Fontana, some parts of Riverside, Bloomington, and Rialto for a few years

    @Daniel Smilansky Wow that'd be great. I definitely know the area fairly well and even have some good tenant sources in the Loma Linda area (I'm a professor) and I have to say if you're going to rent to college kids, a Seventh Day Adventist (no alcohol or caffeine) Medical school is a good place to start. We may have missed the boat as far as easily finding good deals, but I know with the right networking and due dilligence they're out there... hopefully

  • Investor · ABQ, NM · Member since 2013 · 28 posts · 6 votes
    12y

    @Trevor Lohman I'm from Irvine, California, born in Glendale, family lives up and down the coast. Almost one year to the date I moved my wife and 1 year old son to Albuquerque, New Mexico to pick up some rentals, it has been a success story so far. I was determined to do this remotely, but thought I needed to understand the area and be a little hands on. I looked at 30 to 100 homes a night on Trulia and Zillow, checked the foreclosure listings with banks and finally picked up a 4 plex 2 months after moving here.

    Yesterday, I just talked with my Bank and will be looking to purchase my second property in the next 4 months. Just use the formula's and calculations within Bigger Pockets to see your numbers before you pull the trigger.

    Ups and Downs - In my first year, I evicted 1 and had a 2 year contract least with another to find out that he had to move because of an emergency but was able to put 36 hours over a weekend (up all night) to get the place ready to show to the public, was able to rent it out within 10 days. My goal is to get a maintenance guy to handle all my needs on the property, until then i'll be doing most of the work and getting a certified guy (electric/plumbing) to check my work which will save me in the long run.

    I haven't been on Bigger Pockets since because of how busy I am, but I do listen to the podcasts and articles from the email but you will get all the info you need from this community. Study hard and hope you endure a little luck on your way.

  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2013 · 71 posts · 16 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Trevor Lohman:
    @Jonathan M. You'll have to let me know what areas you are looking at in the Inland Empire. I did home health in the Inland Empire for a few years so I have a really good feel for all of the different areas.

    As far as there not being any war zones in the IE, that may be the case... but I have to say there are definitely some things I wish I could unsee after working in San Bernardino, Colton, Fontana, some parts of Riverside, Bloomington, and Rialto for a few years

    @Daniel Smilansky Wow that'd be great. I definitely know the area fairly well and even have some good tenant sources in the Loma Linda area (I'm a professor) and I have to say if you're going to rent to college kids, a Seventh Day Adventist (no alcohol or caffeine) Medical school is a good place to start. We may have missed the boat as far as easily finding good deals, but I know with the right networking and due dilligence they're out there... hopefully

    I'll be looking at properties in San Bernadino area. I'm not expecting much given my price range. I guess I'll know once I see it.

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