Welp that's it, I'm selling out

Welp that's it, I'm selling out

Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Well, that's it for residential SFH LTR real estate. I officially made the decision today to move on...

I listed two properties today. Reached out to the tenants of another one and they are interested in purchasing. And I'll list the other 2 here in the next month or so. That will be my last 5 properties. 

Why you may ask? 

I don't work in the real estate industry (not a REP) so (1) I can't take the depreciation. So I basically have a bunch of passive losses locked up. Rising insurance and property taxes have (2) dwindled cashflow to the point rents cannot be raised enough to cover the increase in expenses. (3) Labor has gone through the roof making flips even harder (plumbers used to be $85/hr, now they are $145/hr). I live in Louisiana and we (4) don't have the appreciation that a lot of other places have. There are some micro areas that have better appreciation but these are 300k+ houses (aka nothing you can rent for a profit). 

So the 4 ways you make money - cashflow, appreciation, loan paydown and tax deductions have been 75% eliminated. The loan paydown is the only thing left and isn't significant until year 15 (really year 20). In my opinion that money can be better allocated elsewhere for better returns. For example...my rental cashflow is taxed at 37% - whereas I can invest in the stock market and only pay 20% capital gains. And the market has been on an absolute tear the past 3 years (and I see this continuing with AI/robotics/space & satellites). 

Overall rating on my RE investments over the last 5 years...probably a 4/10. My duplex was my first purchase - bought for 104k, put about 15k into it (all in 120k). I'll list for 125k, so break even at best. Fourplex was second purchase - bought at 160k, will list for 185k+ (this one is the only one that really makes sense to keep, it cashflows and was bought at a discount). SFH 1 I paid 182k for (overpaid and got emotional), I'll list it for 198k (will likely take a 15-20k loss). SFH 2 I paid 150k, I'll sell to tenants for 197k or list for 205k (fantastic location, bought off-market, I like this one, make 45-50k). SFH 3 paid 130k back in 2017, probably list at 175k (this was a previous primary residence so no capital gains). I haven't bought anything since 2023 and my stock market gains have vastly outpaced my RE gains.

What would I do differently? I would make fewer BUT better deals. I wouldn't go above 80% ARV in ANY case. I'd learn about creative financing and use less of my own money (use more OPM). Then start a direct mail/texting (lead) campaign, funnel leads, make cold calls and ideally make a few great deals. I would ONLY buy in fantastic LOCATIONS. The recurring theme is PRICE & LOCATION. And focus on MAKING it a deal.

The other thing - GET INVOLVED. When I come back I plan to get involved with local groups. Go to the meet-ups. Check in regularly. Do deals with people etc. Maybe even do a mastermind or something with someone local. It's much easier to do things with a partner (or group) than on your own. 

Now what am I going to do instead?! Develop a business. I bought some land off a major road and am planning to develop. I may do a trailer park depending on what I can pick up for cheap. I would only do real estate at scale (potentially syndicate or partner as well). 

I think it will be a breath of fresh air not worrying about a pipe busting, a roof needing replacement etc. I am a little bummed about selling the "good ones" but that equity will be better allocated elsewhere. 

I apologize for the long post. Any questions/comments/concerns let me know!

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
5mo

nice post.. for someone that has been in the business for 50 years I am often asked how many rentals I have.. and that number is exactly 2  LOL  I did make a run at C and D class in the deep south back post crash and bought about 300 of them with a few partners that lasted oh 18 months or so and I sold out.. to me these days its about right on's not write offs even though I can take the depreciation and I do that through a few hand picked syndicators that run their investments tighter than I can..  So for me lending money building houses and just live with the tax burden. 

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  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4mo

    Everything in the current market is undergoing a massive re-rating. Equities are in front of it, so be careful if you're arbitraging that. You'll sell the lows in RE, buy the highs in Eq in regards to valuation.

    Selling during a consolidation phase usually suggests the original entry thesis wasn't built for the long haul. Every asset class—whether liquid or physical—requires a specific type of pain tolerance to manage.

    If you find the physical headwinds of real estate (tenants, capex, opex) aren't for you, then tapping out or consolidating is the right move.

    It’s better to play in a field where you can actually handle the friction.

    I've said this ad nauseum but real estate is rarely a short-term win. It usually takes 6–8 years just to realize why you bought in, another 2–5 years to stabilize the engine, and then a final window to actually harvest the profits. If you can’t see yourself in it for that 15-year cycle, exiting now is just logic.

  • Jose OrtizBusiness Member
    Accountant · South Florida · Member since 2026 · 46 posts · 18 votes
    4mo

    I get the move - but from a tax lens, you’re not as “stuck” as it feels.

    You didn’t lose the depreciation… it’s just suspended. When you sell, those passive losses free up and can offset your gains. That’s where a lot of your tax benefit shows up.

    Also, the 37% vs 20% comparison isn’t apples to apples. Your rentals aren’t fully taxed at 37% once you factor in deductions, and your sales will be a mix of capital gains (15–20%) + depreciation recapture (25%), reduced by those suspended losses.

    I think the biggest thing is that how you sell matters more than the fact you’re selling.

    1. Don’t dump everything in one year if you can avoid it

    2. That tenant sale could be an installment sale (spread the tax hit)

    3. Your former primary could qualify for the Section 121 exclusion

    4. Loss properties can offset gains from winners

      You’re not wrong on the fundamentals, but this is one of those situations where good exit planning can materially change your after-tax outcome.

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      • Don KonipolBusiness Member
        Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
        4mo
        Quote from @Jose Ortiz:

        I get the move - but from a tax lens, you’re not as “stuck” as it feels.

        You didn’t lose the depreciation… it’s just suspended. When you sell, those passive losses free up and can offset your gains. That’s where a lot of your tax benefit shows up.

        Also, the 37% vs 20% comparison isn’t apples to apples. Your rentals aren’t fully taxed at 37% once you factor in deductions, and your sales will be a mix of capital gains (15–20%) + depreciation recapture (25%), reduced by those suspended losses.

        I think the biggest thing is that how you sell matters more than the fact you’re selling.

        1. Don’t dump everything in one year if you can avoid it

        2. That tenant sale could be an installment sale (spread the tax hit)

        3. Your former primary could qualify for the Section 121 exclusion

        4. Loss properties can offset gains from winners

          You’re not wrong on the fundamentals, but this is one of those situations where good exit planning can materially change your after-tax outcome.

          Good advice 
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        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          4mo
          Quote from @Jose Ortiz:

          I get the move - but from a tax lens, you’re not as “stuck” as it feels.

          You didn’t lose the depreciation… it’s just suspended. When you sell, those passive losses free up and can offset your gains. That’s where a lot of your tax benefit shows up.

          Also, the 37% vs 20% comparison isn’t apples to apples. Your rentals aren’t fully taxed at 37% once you factor in deductions, and your sales will be a mix of capital gains (15–20%) + depreciation recapture (25%), reduced by those suspended losses.

          I think the biggest thing is that how you sell matters more than the fact you’re selling.

          1. Don’t dump everything in one year if you can avoid it

          2. That tenant sale could be an installment sale (spread the tax hit)

          3. Your former primary could qualify for the Section 121 exclusion

          4. Loss properties can offset gains from winners

            You’re not wrong on the fundamentals, but this is one of those situations where good exit planning can materially change your after-tax outcome.


            Interesting points - I think I have some of the basics down. 

            The biggest gainer and loser I should be selling together - the loser will offset the gainer in a sense. I have a contract on the gainer right now. And I'm motivated unfortunately to get rid of the loser. I think the loser I should be able to pass those losses on year after year if I can't take them all in one year. 

            I haven't actually been able to use any of the depreciation, so I'm not exactly sure how the recapture will affect me at the sale. (I currently can't get my CPA to respond to my emails, which is troubling...so I'm looking for a new one). I am fairly confident he has made some mistakes - as in using the purchase price of the house as the cost basis when he should have added in the rehab as well (so you'd end up with a higher cost basis). I need to find a way to fix that if he's messed it up. That is actually really stressing me. 

            Totally on the former primary - should be exempt from capital gains there since we lived in it 2 out of the last 5 years. 

            The 37% I was meaning the cashflow off rentals as opposed to selling stocks and paying the capital gains. Essentially the "profit" (cashflow) from the rental houses throughout the years was taxed at 35-37%. So my, let's say $1000 cashflow would be down to $630-650 from just FICA tax. Add in LA state tax another ~9%. And I'm down nearly half. What an absolute scam. Throw in the increases in insurance rates and the returns get so low it's not worth the risk/effort/time. 

        • Inland Empire, CA · Member since 2017 · 151 posts · 79 votes
          4mo

          Appreciate you sharing your story Jeremy. That's tough but sounds like it was def a learning experience. Can't really relate because I went straight into syndicating larger multifamily. Always happy to connect if you plan on staying in real estate or veering toward JVs/syndications.

        • Jose OrtizBusiness Member
          Accountant · South Florida · Member since 2026 · 46 posts · 18 votes
          4mo

          Jeremy ....pairing the gain and loss makes sense.

          Honestly, the bigger issue here is having confidence in what’s already been done. If your CPA isn’t responsive and you’re second-guessing things, that’s not where you want to be with this kind of timing.

          This is one of those situations where execution matters more than the general idea.

          Hard to unpack everything in a thread like this, but it’s worth getting a second opinion before things are locked in. I’m on the BP tax/financial services finder if you end up wanting another perspective.

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        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          4mo

          Well PSA #1 signed and dropped off to the title company today - this was the last rental I bought back in 2023. I'm selling to the current tenants. 

          Bought for 150k, DIYed paint/flooring/basic plumbing/other cosmetics - took me about 6 months to do myself but easily saved more than that in labor costs. Subbed out the electrical box and attic mounted AC. All in 157k. Selling for 200k. So roughly 43k in profit. 

          Currently rented for $1500/mo. Problem with this one is the monthly payment went from $1100 to $1495 in the past two years. 

          Now some may be saying...why make a deal that only "cashflows" $400/mo initially? Because of the equity capture at the buy! I had an extraordinarily high interest rate (10%) since I started a new job a few months prior to buying this house (didn't have 2 years work experience so the interest rate is horrible). Could I have refinanced? Sure. But it looked like rates were going to come down faster than they are currently and I didn't want to jump the gun and get a 7% when I could wait a year or so and get something in the 5s. Would it have made sense to hold and refinance and have higher cashflow...possibly...but keep reading

          ...Let's take a look at the ROE. Downpayment was 20% or 30k (150k PP). So I started with roughly a 120k house valued at 197k. That's 77k equity sitting. What kind of return am I getting on that? (I think this is a vastly overlooked metric for most investors).

          Initial cashflow: $400/mo. Property Manager: 150/mo. Maintenance/Repairs: Let's say 1% of the value or $1200/year so $100/mo. We're already down to $150/mo in cashflow...annually that comes to $1800. Loan paydown ~1200/year. Depreciation - I cannot take. Appreciation - very low in the short term in Louisiana (we are actually seeing price drops right now, and this number will simply cover the selling costs unless you hold for 7+ years, so basically $0. (And we know homeowners insurance and prop taxes will only continue to increase)

          So we have 3000/70000 = 3.8%. Not very good. Let's say we're taxed at 30% on the rental cashflow income so now the 1800 is 1260/year. And we'll be taxed on the loan paydown when we sell - capital gains at 20% (1200*.8) So (1260+960)/77000 = 2.8% Even worse. I'd much rather invest this in a HYSA at 4.25%, maintain 100% liquidity and buy the dips in the stock market. And I believe the HYSA would do better as well...let's see (77000*.0425 (interest rate) * .7 (30% tax rate) = $2290. Versus $2200 (1260+960) for the rental. Yep easily beaten with zero time and zero effort. Now go put it all in NVDA/GOOGL/AMZN/PLTR/BE...

          So better opportunities elsewhere? I think so. What was the strategy here? Essentially a flip held for slightly more than a year to bypass my personal tax rate and get taxed as capital gains. The key here was buying at a discount...(157/197 = 79% ARV all in). I would encourage everyone to run ROE calculations every year and see what the return is vs the opportunity cost of a different investment.

        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          4mo

          #2 (Duplex) and #3 (SFH) went under contract today to an an investor - so we'll see how that plays out. Part of me wants to keep the duplex - aka I don't want to be stuck w/ the SFH. I should've made the duplex contingent on the sale of the SFH. The investor is countering my counter by like 2k, so that should be signed tonight w/ the contingency added in. Duplex I'll lose ~20k and SFH about ~20k also - I bought at slightly too high of a price, didn't hold either for too long (plan changed in a few years) and the selling costs are ridiculous. Either way, hopefully I can breathe easier in a month being done with these. So I'll have done a little better than breaking even when it comes to buying/selling (considering the profit of the first house).

          That leaves me the fourplex and a couple more SFH. The other SFH will be easy to list on the market and sell for a profit. Not necessary to sell. The fourplex I think I'm going to keep.

          Then I went under contract on a commercial deal. I've been trying for awhile to pick one up and finally got one w/ the location/size/price that I needed. That should go through no problem. I'll finance it with margin/401k loan and proceeds from the house sales. The rest of the cash I'll put in a HYSA to hedge my margin and pay off the 401k loan. Seller met with his CPA and decided against doing seller finance. 

          • JD MartinBusiness Member
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            Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
            4mo
            Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

            #2 (Duplex) and #3 (SFH) went under contract today to an an investor - so we'll see how that plays out. Part of me wants to keep the duplex - aka I don't want to be stuck w/ the SFH. I should've made the duplex contingent on the sale of the SFH. The investor is countering my counter by like 2k, so that should be signed tonight w/ the contingency added in. Duplex I'll lose ~20k and SFH about ~20k also - I bought at slightly too high of a price, didn't hold either for too long (plan changed in a few years) and the selling costs are ridiculous. Either way, hopefully I can breathe easier in a month being done with these. So I'll have done a little better than breaking even when it comes to buying/selling (considering the profit of the first house).

            That leaves me the fourplex and a couple more SFH. The other SFH will be easy to list on the market and sell for a profit. Not necessary to sell. The fourplex I think I'm going to keep.

            Then I went under contract on a commercial deal. I've been trying for awhile to pick one up and finally got one w/ the location/size/price that I needed. That should go through no problem. I'll finance it with margin/401k loan and proceeds from the house sales. The rest of the cash I'll put in a HYSA to hedge my margin and pay off the 401k loan. Seller met with his CPA and decided against doing seller finance. 


             It sounds like you're on your way - there's absolutely nothing wrong with changing directions, especially if you're in an area like yours with limited appreciation. 

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        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          4mo

          Well quick update - still have 3 houses under contract (2 SFH & a duplex). One with existing tenants (SFH) and two with an investor (SFH & Duplex). I'm expecting the investor to ask for some deductions/repairs etc this coming week. So we'll see about that. Should close on the other house the first week of June.

          This past week I went under contract on a self storage facility about 10 mins from my house - this is what I've been trying to lock up for the past couple of years, but finding something in my price range, size, location, condition etc was difficult. I had actually opted to just develop, so I bought some land...then this one came up. Good room to expand, no website, ran off excel, no google page, no advertising, signage etc. Exactly what I was looking for. So that will be my next project. 

          I may or may not keep the fourplex. I need to run the returns on it again and see what makes sense. Or hold it until I find a nice STR, then sell and buy the STR. That would be my preferred route. I may just go ahead and do that now that I'm thinking about it again.

          When I get some time I'll add in analysis on the properties I sold to give a decent idea of the entire investment journey. 

          Now why did I post all of this? I wanted to give a realistic look at investing from someone who started from scratch reading BP, watching YouTube videos etc. I make a decent living otherwise, so this was essentially looking for investments other than the stock market. 

          • Don KonipolBusiness Member
            Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
            4mo
            Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

            Well quick update - still have 3 houses under contract (2 SFH & a duplex). One with existing tenants (SFH) and two with an investor (SFH & Duplex). I'm expecting the investor to ask for some deductions/repairs etc this coming week. So we'll see about that. Should close on the other house the first week of June.

            This past week I went under contract on a self storage facility about 10 mins from my house - this is what I've been trying to lock up for the past couple of years, but finding something in my price range, size, location, condition etc was difficult. I had actually opted to just develop, so I bought some land...then this one came up. Good room to expand, no website, ran off excel, no google page, no advertising, signage etc. Exactly what I was looking for. So that will be my next project. 

            I may or may not keep the fourplex. I need to run the returns on it again and see what makes sense. Or hold it until I find a nice STR, then sell and buy the STR. That would be my preferred route. I may just go ahead and do that now that I'm thinking about it again.

            When I get some time I'll add in analysis on the properties I sold to give a decent idea of the entire investment journey. 

            Now why did I post all of this? I wanted to give a realistic look at investing from someone who started from scratch reading BP, watching YouTube videos etc. I make a decent living otherwise, so this was essentially looking for investments other than the stock market. 


            You’re definitely thinking like a successful real estate investor.  I think you’ll find that if you begin to utilize some “wealth enhancement” strategies you’ll have results that few if any other investments can match for risk adjusted return.   

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          • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
            4mo
            Quote from @Don Konipol:
            Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

            Well quick update - still have 3 houses under contract (2 SFH & a duplex). One with existing tenants (SFH) and two with an investor (SFH & Duplex). I'm expecting the investor to ask for some deductions/repairs etc this coming week. So we'll see about that. Should close on the other house the first week of June.

            This past week I went under contract on a self storage facility about 10 mins from my house - this is what I've been trying to lock up for the past couple of years, but finding something in my price range, size, location, condition etc was difficult. I had actually opted to just develop, so I bought some land...then this one came up. Good room to expand, no website, ran off excel, no google page, no advertising, signage etc. Exactly what I was looking for. So that will be my next project. 

            I may or may not keep the fourplex. I need to run the returns on it again and see what makes sense. Or hold it until I find a nice STR, then sell and buy the STR. That would be my preferred route. I may just go ahead and do that now that I'm thinking about it again.

            When I get some time I'll add in analysis on the properties I sold to give a decent idea of the entire investment journey. 

            Now why did I post all of this? I wanted to give a realistic look at investing from someone who started from scratch reading BP, watching YouTube videos etc. I make a decent living otherwise, so this was essentially looking for investments other than the stock market. 


            You’re definitely thinking like a successful real estate investor.  I think you’ll find that if you begin to utilize some “wealth enhancement” strategies you’ll have results that few if any other investments can match for risk adjusted return.   


             What "wealth enhancement" strategies are we talking about here?!

            I am getting to the point where I'm going to have to get some guidance one way or another. I can figure out a good bit myself, but when it comes to structuring LLCs/businesses/trusts then the tax implications of everything - I just don't know enough to figure out the best way to do it 

          • Don KonipolBusiness Member
            Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
            4mo
            Quote from @Jeremy Horton:
            Quote from @Don Konipol:
            Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

            Well quick update - still have 3 houses under contract (2 SFH & a duplex). One with existing tenants (SFH) and two with an investor (SFH & Duplex). I'm expecting the investor to ask for some deductions/repairs etc this coming week. So we'll see about that. Should close on the other house the first week of June.

            This past week I went under contract on a self storage facility about 10 mins from my house - this is what I've been trying to lock up for the past couple of years, but finding something in my price range, size, location, condition etc was difficult. I had actually opted to just develop, so I bought some land...then this one came up. Good room to expand, no website, ran off excel, no google page, no advertising, signage etc. Exactly what I was looking for. So that will be my next project. 

            I may or may not keep the fourplex. I need to run the returns on it again and see what makes sense. Or hold it until I find a nice STR, then sell and buy the STR. That would be my preferred route. I may just go ahead and do that now that I'm thinking about it again.

            When I get some time I'll add in analysis on the properties I sold to give a decent idea of the entire investment journey. 

            Now why did I post all of this? I wanted to give a realistic look at investing from someone who started from scratch reading BP, watching YouTube videos etc. I make a decent living otherwise, so this was essentially looking for investments other than the stock market. 


            You’re definitely thinking like a successful real estate investor.  I think you’ll find that if you begin to utilize some “wealth enhancement” strategies you’ll have results that few if any other investments can match for risk adjusted return.   


             What "wealth enhancement" strategies are we talking about here?!

            I am getting to the point where I'm going to have to get some guidance one way or another. I can figure out a good bit myself, but when it comes to structuring LLCs/businesses/trusts then the tax implications of everything - I just don't know enough to figure out the best way to do it 

            Here is a brief summary of some of the wealth “building/enhancement” strategies and techniques I’ve personally utilized during my 50 years investing in real estate 

             

            1. Purchase 20% + below market value for cash when property can’t be financed

            Buy truly below market by offering a very fast close, all cash, without the need for financing. To implement this strategy you need to have the full purchase price in readily accessible funds, so it won’t work for the majority of investors. Further, only a minority of sellers will be interested or motivated to offer a significant discount for an immediate no contingency sale.

            2. Buy with seller financing with sweetheart terms ( assumable, 0% interest rate Seller Financed Note) and sell wrap note higher interest and or higher price for providing financing to buyers who would not qualify for conventional loans

            Sell a property with an existing low interest mortgage utilizing a mortgage wrap. You’ll receive a higher price for the property because by offering seller financing you open up the bidding to a greater number of buyers. You create a note with an ultra high yield because you capture the interest rate differential between the stated interest rate on the wrap note and the lower interest rate on the underlying note.

            Example: I sold a retail/service center for $1,750,000 with a $1,300,000 note I carried back at 10% interest. This note was wrapped around an existing $610,000 note at 4% interest. So I earned the differential of 6% on the principal balance of the wrapped note or about $36,000 per year for as long as the note is in existence, plus of course 10% in the “unwrapped portion” or $69,000 per year. 

            3. Substitute a note purchased at large discount for seller financed note at full value (substitution of collateral)

            Buy a property with seller financing at a low interest rate and long term and a substitution of collateral clause. Buy a note with a interest rate similar to the seller financed note at a large discount due to the relatively low interest rate and long term - and “substitute” this note for the seller financed note. You’ve just decreased your purchase price by the difference between the principal of the seller financed note and the “discounted” price you paid for the substitute note.

            Further, you now own a “free and clear” property you can borrow against should you desire and probably get all your invested cash out.

            Example: Back years ago when I was still dealing in residential properties (as well as commercial) I purchased a SFR for $55,000 with $5,000 down and the seller carrying back a 25 year note at 7% interest. I explained to the seller that my offer contained a substitution of collateral clauses and I would be exchanging the note they held on the subject home with a note of similar principal and interest secured bya different property of greater appraised value. The sellers were agreeable.

            Interest rates inthe then current economic climate were in the 15 - 17% range for new mortgages, hence Iwas able to purchase a note on a SFR with a principal balance of $50,000 or so and an interest rate of 7.5% for $22,000. I "substituted" the note I purchased for the $50,000 seller nanced note and hence ending up paying $27,000 for the $55,000 house.

            4. Use ability to finance at low interest rate to gain equity position

            Negotiate for ownership interest in a property, with good cash flow from operations, but suffering negative cash flow from a high interest hard money loan that the owner can't refinance due to his personal credit limitations. Refinance using your good credit at 50% LTV and no personal guarantee. Negotiate the lender allowing a one time note assumption.

            5. Work note

            Purchase a low interest rate note at a significant discount to principal. “Work” the note by offering a smaller discount for payoff to the debtor, or by enticing an increase in monthly payments for a decrease in interest rate, which should if structured correctly increase you yield.

            6. Business/Real estate combination

            Purchase a business property such as an automotive repair shop. Purchase all heavy equipment needed for an automotive service business such as lifts, cranes, etc. Find an experienced operator wanting to operate in your location and sell him the business and lease the real estate to him. You can charge a hefty premium because with the shop fully equipped the operator saves the cost of outfitting the shop and the time and effort required. You can obtain a 12 cap or better. on this type of situation.

            Example - I purchased an automotive shop with all the equipment intact at a bankruptcy auction for $117,000. sold the “business” (equipment, name, signs, goodwill, etc) to an operator for $50,000 cash, and the operator five year 3N lease at $3,000 per month. After enjoying a net income of $36,000 per year on a net $67,000 investment, I sold the real estate to the operator for $335,000

            7. Purchase property or note wholesale; Sell 1/2 interest to a partner at a profit to yourself.

            Example - negotiated purchase of a 5 year balloon note of $280,000 remaining principal paying 11% interest for $250,000. Sold 1/2 interest to a partner for $140,000. So, I ended up paying $110,000 for a $140,000 equity in the note. Further, I receive 1% of the loan amount annually for servicing the note.

            8. Syndicate deal

            Syndicate property or note acquisition and retain equity interest as “promote”.


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            Creative Seller Financing, Creative Down Payments, Advanced Creative Real Estate Financing, Chuck Sutherland

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          • Lender · Jacksonville, FL · Member since 2026 · 46 posts · 17 votes
            3mo
            Quote from @Jeremy Horton:

            Well quick update - still have 3 houses under contract (2 SFH & a duplex). One with existing tenants (SFH) and two with an investor (SFH & Duplex). I'm expecting the investor to ask for some deductions/repairs etc this coming week. So we'll see about that. Should close on the other house the first week of June.

            This past week I went under contract on a self storage facility about 10 mins from my house - this is what I've been trying to lock up for the past couple of years, but finding something in my price range, size, location, condition etc was difficult. I had actually opted to just develop, so I bought some land...then this one came up. Good room to expand, no website, ran off excel, no google page, no advertising, signage etc. Exactly what I was looking for. So that will be my next project. 

            I may or may not keep the fourplex. I need to run the returns on it again and see what makes sense. Or hold it until I find a nice STR, then sell and buy the STR. That would be my preferred route. I may just go ahead and do that now that I'm thinking about it again.

            When I get some time I'll add in analysis on the properties I sold to give a decent idea of the entire investment journey. 

            Now why did I post all of this? I wanted to give a realistic look at investing from someone who started from scratch reading BP, watching YouTube videos etc. I make a decent living otherwise, so this was essentially looking for investments other than the stock market. 


             All in all this sounds like a positive update.  Great find on the storage unit!

        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          3mo

          Well officially closed on SFH #1 on Tuesday - 78k now liquid, able to use and borrow against. Closing on the duplex and SFH #2 this coming Tuesday the 9th - should net around 50k for both of those together.

          Ah what a breath of fresh air. No Insurance to worry about. No broken water lines to worry about. No tenants. No security deposits. No repairs/maintenance. Why did I not do this sooner lol. 

          Fourplex I still need to run analysis on, but I'll likely sell it as well. ROE isn't bad though. It cashflows better. It's also more diversified in the event on vacancy. It stays occupied as well, good overall location. Might let this one run until a decent STR comes up or some land to build a new personal residence.

        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          3mo

          Closed on the duplex and SFH #2 this past Tuesday (6/9). Another 57k liquid again to be able to invest, get compound interest, and borrow against.

          Again a sigh of relief for these. Sold for slightly less than I would have wanted, but there is a serious amount of CapEx I wanted no part of, and I was able to sell them together to the same investment company here. Basically got exactly what I paid for them, so I'm essentially out the rehab costs on each. Considering I DIYed the duplex (first property I even bought in 2021), that one wasn't bad - say 15k on the high side. The SFH #2 was probably closer to 20k.

          Lesson learned more than anything. The SFH #1 I closed on last week makes up for these Ls and then some. The lesson here is make sure you buy cheap enough to cover the rehab, immediate CapEx and immediate repairs/maintenance. Obviously buying at this steep of a discount in a great location consistently is the hard part.

          Alternative would have been to hold these for much longer. This would have been a viable option, I think for me, if I was a REP. They both still cashflowed annually after all expenses accounted for. But again, the ROE was low. If this is the way you invest/live day to day, it could make sense. But for me personally it didn't. 

          I have one SFH and a fourplex left. The more I think about it, I just can't answer the "why" on keeping these over investing my self storage business going forward or the stock market. I mean I pay 35% FICA on the LTR rental cashflow. With the stock market, I pay 20% capital gains (or just pay for everything on margin, then deduct the margin interest and never sell my stocks).

          I'm going to keep this thread updated when I sell the remaining two. And when I get some time and things slow down a bit I'll post my annual spreadsheets across the properties themselves and portfolio as a whole. 

        • Rental Property Investor · Somewhere over the Rainbow · Member since 2021 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
          2mo

          Well after a nice vacay I've decided to fully exit residential real estate - planning to list and sell the remaining two properties, a SFH and a fourplex.

          The stock market has been on a discount lately, so I've been doubling down on a lot of my better companies. It is just much easier doing things this way. I have less stress, more time, I can hit a few buttons on a screen to buy or sell and be done. Watch youtube and read online to stay updated (which is something I did already anyway). I have more time for my hobbies and family all while still compounding my wealth. 

          The stock market vs RE was a question that always lingered with me...I never did do the math or back test it, maybe like I should have. But I think the answer is clear, especially in terms of time vs risk vs reward. 

          The thing with compound interest is that it accelerates over time, the interest builds on the interest. And it's ALWAYS usable - whether I want to take a loan against it or withdraw. And it takes almost no time. Zero money stuck in a property. Zero money stuck in escrow accounts. So much idle money in RE. 

          No tenants. No CapEx with HVAC units and all that. No repairs or maintenance period. How freeing is that? Zero DIY. What a breath of fresh air when it freezes and I'm not worrying about a rental having busted pipes...

          Sure with RE I came out ahead, but it wasn't THAT ahead. Too slow. Too time consuming. Too much effort for the result. I could understand it IF it was your job, other than that, I think there are MUCH BETTER investment opportunities available. 

        • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2022 · 126 posts · 122 votes
          2mo
          Very much appreciate your post and sharing your realities of being a SFR landlord. I’m about 7 years in and have been at your same sentiment since about year 5. Success stories are shouted out loud, but a lot of the “real” stories go unheard in whispers. Cheers to you for drawing your own conclusion on what works or doesn’t work for you and pivoting as you see fit 🍻
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