Is this seller playing games with me?

Is this seller playing games with me?

Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes

I recently engaged in a negotiation to buy a portfolio of rental apartments from a seller whom just inherited these properties from her late father. The properties were off market. I contacted her to discuss if she might be interested to sell the whole portfolio and she immediately said she really wants to get rid off it because it is too much for her (a white woman with little kids) to deal with low income tenants in the "hood". I managed to get an appointment with her to discuss the price and terms. After a couple of weeks and some back and forth she finally told me the price she was wiling to sell. I agree to pay the price she asked because I believe it was a fair price. This is a 50+ units apartments deal for a seven figure cash deal. During all the negotiation I was very proactive calling her trying get the deal done. She never called me once (even when she always promised to call me a certain time). I felt like I was chasing her all the time. She just did not acted like a person interested to sell. I asked her many times if she is "really interested to sell" and she assured me she was but she is always so busy she does not have time to reply emails or phone calls (how busy can a person be that chooses to ignore a buyer willing to buy cash for seven figure deal and pay her full asking price).

Anyway, last Friday we agreed on the phone on the price. It was the price she wanted and she confirmed verbally that we have a deal. Then I proceeded to send her the sales contract on Friday giving her the weekend for her to go thru the terms. I called her 6 times on Monday and she finally answered my phone late afternoon confirming she received my contract and she will send to her attorney to review and get back to me tomorrow. Once again "tomorrow went by" and she did not called me back as promised and did not pick up her phone during the whole day. I finally got someone to pickup the phone at 7:30pm today. It was her husband and he told me she is at bed now and asked me to call her tomorrow during from 9:00 to 3:00pm (yeah but you guys never pickup the phone during that time). 

I'm an investor and I've done many transactions before and this is the first time that I'm dealing with a seller that does not respond professionally and does not pick up the phone or call you back. I've finally sent her an email today asking her to contact us if she still wants to close the deal or not otherwise we will take our money to pursue other deals. The only reason I have not quit this deal is because it is a good deal that fits our portfolio. I'd love to hear what do you guys think about this seller? What will you do in this situation?

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Ned CareyPro Member
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Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
12y

You called 6 times in one day!  That would piss me off and I consider that rude. 

You are acting like a motivated buyer. That is not a very good negotiating tactic. It wouldn't surprise me that this deal blows up becuase you are pushing too hard. 

I doubt the seller is playing games with you, she probably has too much on her plate to handle. Slow down and build repore with the seller. Make sure that when she is ready you are the one she wants to deal with.

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  • Wholesaler · Sterling Heights, MI · Member since 2014 · 335 posts · 105 votes
    12y

    I am in the same situation. I have a 70 year old landlord who manages all 35 units himself (17 different properties). He wants to sell all of his properties at once  and retire. However he has a hard time managing all the properties and giving me the information on the properties that I need to form a deal. But I give him the time he needs because I have to see where he is coming from. 

    I agree with most people on this thread. She isn't an investor. She is a mom and she is grieving. She probably has no idea or maybe doesn't have the time to deal with it right now but she will when the dust settles. 

    As investors we want to make our business grow but as human beings we have a responsibility to help others. You can be that be that solution for her. If you keep pushing her she might see you as another annoyance in her life she doesn't need. Be the helpful solution she needs or she might find someone that is more sympathetic to her situation. 

  • Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
    12y

    Good luck.

    To me it seems like email communication with her is best.

    Write her and explain that you regret that the offer has to be retracted because your secured funding has a deadline and that has come and gone.  However, if and when she is interested and ready you are confident you can give it another go.

    Ask her if there is anything she needs help with.

    Not sure if the price is right? You will be glad to offer a comparable analysis or pay for an appraisal for her to review.

    Not sure of the conditions of the 50+ units?  Tell her you would be happy to, with her permission, visit a few on your own time and give her an honest assessment.  

    Does she has a property manager?  Handy man?  If not recommend to her some you know that would offer competitive rates and reliable services.

    Try to offer her help.  Good luck.

  • Bedford, NH · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Wayne Fisher:

    I don't understand why people are saying the OP was harassing her? All she had to say if she didn't know what she wanted to do was " i need time to think about it". But instead she yeah that's a good price lets do it. The OP did his part got the money together then she changed her mind. IMO if she doesn't know what she wants to do then she should of said something. We are not talking about one house either its a 7 figure deal.

    Also how do you think it makes the OP look when nothing happens with the deal. It makes the OP look stupid or that he doesn't know what he is doing. That alone would piss me off. I say move on to the next deal this lady isn't worth dealing with IMO.

     Because 6 phone calls in one day is ridiculous.

  • Hillsborough, NJ · Member since 2014 · 20 posts · 4 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Richard C.:
    Originally posted by @Wayne Fisher:

    I don't understand why people are saying the OP was harassing her? All she had to say if she didn't know what she wanted to do was " i need time to think about it". But instead she yeah that's a good price lets do it. The OP did his part got the money together then she changed her mind. IMO if she doesn't know what she wants to do then she should of said something. We are not talking about one house either its a 7 figure deal.

    Also how do you think it makes the OP look when nothing happens with the deal. It makes the OP look stupid or that he doesn't know what he is doing. That alone would piss me off. I say move on to the next deal this lady isn't worth dealing with IMO.

     Because 6 phone calls in one day is ridiculous.

     Yeah i would agree that is a lot but look at the situation. If he was calling her about 1 house i understand. Just give the lady some time but we are talking about a BIG deal. Not many people take a 7 figure deal as a casual thing. Like i said if she doesn't know what she wanted to do why not just say it? Just because she is a mother doesn't make it ok for her to waste other peoples time. If she really is that busy just say it not really hard to do. 

  • Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes
    12y

    Indeed 6 phone calls in one day sounds ridiculous. But that is after 2 days without calling her at all, after 2 days that she gave me a verbal agreement that we have a deal and made me spend money on attorney to draft the contract. A deal that she wanted with the price she asked. I did not even countered her asking price. I will expect her to at least acknowledge that she received the contract. Could be by email or text or whatever. I'm not an obsessive buyer trying to harass the seller like many of you think. If she had any concerns or any second thought about the deal (which everybody is entitle to) all she had to do is to let me know. If she did not wanted to talk she could have texted or a short email that will not take her more than 2 minutes will be good enough. As a father of 3 kids and hands on manager of 50 apartments plus managing other investments I'm also very busy and treasure my limited time. Of course many of you will think I'm harassing her but I will think that harassment is when someone express that she does not want to deal with you but you still keep insisting. Every time I talk to her she is assures me she is very interested to get the deal done and promises me to call me back at a certain time but that never happens. I guess I'm too serious and take others words too seriously. I can't help it because this is the way I learned to do business. Always keep your word and do not waste anyone time. Be honest and upfront, always. That is why I made sure to have the money ready before making her the offer. Apparently it seems OK for many people that because you are a busy mother with a lot going on is OK to waste others money and time. 

  • Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Sam Leon:

    Good luck.

    To me it seems like email communication with her is best.

    Write her and explain that you regret that the offer has to be retracted because your secured funding has a deadline and that has come and gone.  However, if and when she is interested and ready you are confident you can give it another go.

    Ask her if there is anything she needs help with.

    Not sure if the price is right? You will be glad to offer a comparable analysis or pay for an appraisal for her to review.

    Not sure of the conditions of the 50+ units?  Tell her you would be happy to, with her permission, visit a few on your own time and give her an honest assessment.  

    Does she has a property manager?  Handy man?  If not recommend to her some you know that would offer competitive rates and reliable services.

    Try to offer her help.  Good luck.

     I did that yesterday. I sent her an email explaining her our urgency to have her confirmation if we can proceed or no. Whatever is her decision it will be OK we just needed her reply so we will know what to do next. I pay a lot of attention on how people react. When someone said to me they will get back to me tomorrow I expect them to do that. When they don't do that and keep telling me they will do certain things but that never happens that is a big red flag for me. As of now I'm not even considering this deal will go until I see the contract signed. Any verbal agreements she made to me is worthless and I have already moved on to pursue other deals. 

  • Investor · Middletown, NJ · Member since 2008 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    I think the lesson here is what @Will Wu mentioned above: 

    "After 2 days that she gave me a verbal agreement that we have a deal and made me spend money on attorney to draft the contract"

    A verbal agreement is as good as the paper it's written on. I have never done a deal of this size, but I would want at least a signed Letter of Intent, or something that would give me the reasonable expectation that this deal will move to the next stage before I spent any money.

    Will may be coming from a business position with experience and integrity, and this woman may have all the best intentions. But without anything in writing, just a "yes" on the phone, moving forward with attorney expenses, contracts, and anything else, was taking a big chance. 

    Looking on the positive side, I would think that if she has no time to get this deal done with you, she's not dealing with anyone else either. Just wait it out if possible.

  • Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Emilio Basa:

    I am in the same situation. I have a 70 year old landlord who manages all 35 units himself (17 different properties). He wants to sell all of his properties at once  and retire. However he has a hard time managing all the properties and giving me the information on the properties that I need to form a deal. But I give him the time he needs because I have to see where he is coming from. 

    I agree with most people on this thread. She isn't an investor. She is a mom and she is grieving. She probably has no idea or maybe doesn't have the time to deal with it right now but she will when the dust settles. 

    As investors we want to make our business grow but as human beings we have a responsibility to help others. You can be that be that solution for her. If you keep pushing her she might see you as another annoyance in her life she doesn't need. Be the helpful solution she needs or she might find someone that is more sympathetic to her situation. 

     The first thing I asked her is why she wanted to sell. Her reply to me is that "being a white woman with little kids" she has a lot going on and she does not wants to deal with low income tenants in the "ghetto".  My help to her was to pay her the price she wanted and get her out of the life of being low income landlord which is not for anyone. I did everything in my power to help her I spent many hours preparing information and appeasing prices on those properties and forwarded all my homework to her. The only thing I wanted from her is for her to reply me. If she wasn't ready to sell she just needed to tell me and I will stop contacting her. 

  • Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Aly W.:

    I think the lesson here is what @Will Wu mentioned above: 

    "After 2 days that she gave me a verbal agreement that we have a deal and made me spend money on attorney to draft the contract"

    A verbal agreement is as good as the paper it's written on. I have never done a deal of this size, but I would want at least a signed Letter of Intent, or something that would give me the reasonable expectation that this deal will move to the next stage before I spent any money.

    Will may be coming from a business position with experience and integrity, and this woman may have all the best intentions. But without anything in writing, just a "yes" on the phone, moving forward with attorney expenses, contracts, and anything else, was taking a big chance. 

    Looking on the positive side, I would think that if she has no time to get this deal done with you, she's not dealing with anyone else either. Just wait it out if possible.

     I don't even want her to close on a deal that she does not feel 100% good about it. I want a win-win deal. That is why I let her setup her price and we did not even countered. No matter how busy a person can be, if you have engaged someone into negotiation you must expect them to follow up with you. Not answering calls and not giving any feedback after confirming you have a deal is not what I will do to anyone at all. If I don't have any interest I will flat out tell them I'm not interested anymore. It happened to me one time when I got a realtor send me a contract and I found a better deal. I immediately sent her an email telling her I won't do the deal anymore because I got a better deal and apologized for wasting her time. I took me only 2 minutes of my time and the realtor never called me again and that allowed her to move on without guessing what happened. 

  • San Francisco, CA · Member since 2014 · 345 posts · 281 votes
    12y

    Guess what?  Real Estate investing isn't always cut and dry and isn't easy. 

    If you have promised your investors a guaranteed deal on a guaranteed timeline, you have made an error.  If they understand your situation, they should be okay with it.  If they do not, they aren't going to be great investors when there is an unexpected expense, problem etc.  

    You need to manage your deals, your properties, and your investors.  

    YOU are trying to buy the properties.   As others have mentioned, you are way outside of the norms of common courtesy if you are calling six times in one day.  

    I recommend that you read Donald Trump's 'Art of the Deal.'  You will learn that he spent months, years, (that's YEARS) fostering some transactions.  Immediate gratification is not part of RE investing.     

    If you want immediate reactions, go trade stocks.  If you want to build wealth over time, you need to be prepared to be patient.  

  • Investor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2012 · 1k+ posts · 465 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Will Wu:
    Originally posted by @Sam Leon:

    Good luck.

    To me it seems like email communication with her is best.

    Write her and explain that you regret that the offer has to be retracted because your secured funding has a deadline and that has come and gone.  However, if and when she is interested and ready you are confident you can give it another go.

    Ask her if there is anything she needs help with.

    Not sure if the price is right? You will be glad to offer a comparable analysis or pay for an appraisal for her to review.

    Not sure of the conditions of the 50+ units?  Tell her you would be happy to, with her permission, visit a few on your own time and give her an honest assessment.  

    Does she has a property manager?  Handy man?  If not recommend to her some you know that would offer competitive rates and reliable services.

    Try to offer her help.  Good luck.

     I did that yesterday. I sent her an email explaining her our urgency to have her confirmation if we can proceed or no. Whatever is her decision it will be OK we just needed her reply so we will know what to do next. I pay a lot of attention on how people react. When someone said to me they will get back to me tomorrow I expect them to do that. When they don't do that and keep telling me they will do certain things but that never happens that is a big red flag for me. As of now I'm not even considering this deal will go until I see the contract signed. Any verbal agreements she made to me is worthless and I have already moved on to pursue other deals. 

    Will, then you have done all you can to facilitate the deal.

    She may not want to sell anymore,

    or she may be struggling with priorities,

    or she got a better offer and is hoping to work that one out before telling you.

    Best to move on after you did all you could.  Good luck.

  • Clinton, MD · Member since 2014 · 50 posts · 20 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Moziah Scott:

    She is still grieving yes and thats the only reason to pull back a bit. But I'm not buying that , she's a mom with kids crap. They want equal rights? So they should deal and transact equally IMO. 

    For sure  - no woman should have equal rights. They need to stay home barefoot and pregnant and fetch beer for their man. In fact, are they even allowed to own real estate? If so, that's a shame.

    Moron.

  • Peoria, IL · Member since 2013 · 967 posts · 383 votes
    12y

    @Account Closed - calling someone moron - glad I rarely see that on BP

    Mama bear may be thinking the 50 unit is cubs college fund

  • Clinton, MD · Member since 2014 · 50 posts · 20 votes
    12y

    @Kirk R. 

     I'm also glad I rarely see ignorant comments about women's rights on BP.  

  • Real Estate Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2014 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    12y

    Will I completely understood your position as well as hers. She is grieving yes, and to be compassionate and understand that is important. 

    Business is business, if you took the time to setup the deal and funding and you had everything in place and then got the run-around from the seller, i'd be anxious too. ITS A LOT OF MONEY...bottom line!

    I simply expressed my opinion and didn't mean to ruffle any feathers out here on BP. Not into calling people names or even addressing those that do. I truly felt your painful position as well as hers. I mean, 6 calls...so what you got a 7 figure deal on the table, she could have at least answered the phone and said some other time or returned a message saying the same thing. 

    Will, I wish you and everyone else on BP success. 

  • Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Moziah Scott:

    Will I completely understood your position as well as hers. She is grieving yes, and to be compassionate and understand that is important. 

    Business is business, if you took the time to setup the deal and funding and you had everything in place and then got the run-around from the seller, i'd be anxious too. ITS A LOT OF MONEY...bottom line!

    I simply expressed my opinion and didn't mean to ruffle any feathers out here on BP. Not into calling people names or even addressing those that do. I truly felt your painful position as well as hers. I mean, 6 calls...so what you got a 7 figure deal on the table, she could have at least answered the phone and said some other time or returned a message saying the same thing. 

    Will, I wish you and everyone else on BP success. 

     I agree with you completely. We take the time to write on this forum because we are looking forward to learn from others but there is no need to be called names. Everyone can freely express their opinion without the need to insult others. For some reason this universe works in a way that amazes me I just got a call out of nowhere from a realtor offering me another great deal that fits exactly my 7 figure budget. 

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Will Wu:

    Thank you for your advice.    .   .   .   But you guys are right. I should not push her that hard. Thank you for the precious advise. 

     Thank you for taking the advice the way it was intended. I know how tough it can be when everyone is piling on. 

    Good luck on the deal. That one deal is more than most active investors do in a lifetime.

  • Real Estate Investor · Orlando, FL · Member since 2014 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    12y

    Nice!...The forces of good are at work Will. It's a learning experience....it's Chess not checkers...lol. Be strategic with your calls...lol...and continue to be a great investor. 

    Good luck my friend. Make it happen!

  • Investor · Boise, ID · Member since 2014 · 14 posts · 5 votes
    12y

    Will,

    Thanks for  posting.  There was a lot to learn here, mostly about human relations, and there was a lot of interesting and diverse insight by the posters.

    You sound like a motivated, efficient business professional used to travelling in a circle of like minded people and as you said, you have expectations that the folks you deal with will carry a similar attitude. 

    The only challenge is that sometimes the individual with whom we are dealing sees  life from a completely different perspective. Sometimes,  they don't understand the challenges of our world, and sometimes they just see the whole damn thing as one giant inconvenience. 

    I can think of 50 reasons that  she verbally might have  agreed and then put off returning your calls, everything from being busy with the kids, to getting conflicting advice from family or friends, to just plain shopping the agreement. Very few have to do with you, and one of those is the positive traits I outlined above. She could have just felt outgunned.

    However, since another deal may come up with a non-professional, reluctant investor, it undoubtedly would  serve well to review this situation for clues that could have guided you and for anything in your actions that could have been improved  to increase  the chances of success.  Always something to learn.

    Congratulations on your your new deal.

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2014 · 62 posts · 23 votes
    12y

    "She never called me once (even when she always promised to call me a certain time). "

    This is the problem. She made a promise and she even told you to call at certain time. Promises always comes with expectations especially if you are dealing with serious matters. She should have told you that she cannot guarantee to answer your calls all the time for some reasons. Don't make promises you can't keep. Again, this is a serious issue. If told  a person that you will do this and that at a certain time, make sure you do it, at least.

  • Real Estate Agent · Falls Church · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Just my humble 2 cents. I can understand getting excited when this amount of money is involved, but if I recognized that a seller was not a professional seller, I would most certainly get a signed contract before going to the money guys and having them move that amount of cash around.  

  • Investor · Willow Spring, NC · Member since 2009 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    12y

    I honestly can't believe what I am seeing. Will Wu, it seems to be all about YOU. "Apparently it seems OK for many people that because you are a busy mother with a lot going on is OK to waste others money and time." All about Wu. I approach deals like this differently. Wu, have you ever managed 50 units under her circumstances? She apparently has no management background with the property. She has been thrown in... and apparently expected to manage effectively.

    "I did everything in my power to help her I spent many hours preparing information and appeasing prices on those properties and forwarded all my homework to her." I, I, I. Me, Me, Me. 

    Why not... "How can I help you?" Question: did you ask her how the 'transaition' is going? What are her issues? Is she experiencing collection issues? BTW, when you buy this property... you may want to know her rent rolls, leases, and management agreements. So FIGURE IT OUT NOW by asking questions that are business compassionate. In the unlikely event she does business with you, her experience (good or bad) in the last 4 months can only HELP you as buyer.

    What I do: #1) be human.  #2) check county records to see if she filed anything in the last 4 months. Collections becomes an issue with management changes. You want to know what's going on. #3) verify who is lienholder and if there is default, #4) find out if the property is listed #5) google all addresses to find out if tenants at those addresses are an issue #6) check for suits agains the owner... I could go on. All this helps to give you an edge understanding where she 'is' in her dealing with this (alleged) problem property. Again, this is me... and apparently it's not a priority for you to communicate that you can help with a problem.

    I've seen some good advice from people who seem to 'get it'.

    "Start being a solution and stop being a problem she has to deal with."

    "Ask her if there is anything she needs help with."

    "I can think of 50 reasons that she verbally might have agreed and then put off returning your calls..." That's the 50 units... and management headaches that go with the assets.

    These posters will get my vote, because they are consistent with the way to interface with a new owner in this kind of circumstance.

    The problem is Wu, not her.

  • South Lake Tahoe, CA · Member since 2014 · 111 posts · 37 votes
    12y

    @Will Wu   It doesn't happen often but once in a while I run across people who are busy, have a lot on their mind, and actual would appreciate if I run by for them to sign and make it easy for them to cross off one more thing they are avoiding off their list.  She is grieving and has a full plate.  You could ask her would you like me to come by and explain the contract to you and get it going for her.  If you are coming from a non aggressive place she might be ok with it.  You could let her know if she isn't comfortable with it, you are fine, you just wanted to offer just in case.

    I second the offer to give her some resources to make this transition easier if she isn't ready to sell and let her know that if that is where she is, just to let you know, you are fine either way.

  • Peoria, IL · Member since 2013 · 967 posts · 383 votes
    12y

    @Will Wu 

    You agreed to her price.  Maybe should have negotiatef her down.  otherwise she might think she didn't ask for enough money.  

    My dad sold a car he had taken really good care of.  The guy said here's the money.  My dad i think was little disappointed he didn't. Get to negotiate and telk the giy about the car

  • Rental Property Investor · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2014 · 81 posts · 50 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by @Chris Martin:

    I honestly can't believe what I am seeing. Will Wu, it seems to be all about YOU. "Apparently it seems OK for many people that because you are a busy mother with a lot going on is OK to waste others money and time." All about Wu. I approach deals like this differently. Wu, have you ever managed 50 units under her circumstances? She apparently has no management background with the property. She has been thrown in... and apparently expected to manage effectively.

    "I did everything in my power to help her I spent many hours preparing information and appeasing prices on those properties and forwarded all my homework to her." I, I, I. Me, Me, Me. 

    Why not... "How can I help you?" Question: did you ask her how the 'transaition' is going? What are her issues? Is she experiencing collection issues? BTW, when you buy this property... you may want to know her rent rolls, leases, and management agreements. So FIGURE IT OUT NOW by asking questions that are business compassionate. In the unlikely event she does business with you, her experience (good or bad) in the last 4 months can only HELP you as buyer.

    What I do: #1) be human.  #2) check county records to see if she filed anything in the last 4 months. Collections becomes an issue with management changes. You want to know what's going on. #3) verify who is lienholder and if there is default, #4) find out if the property is listed #5) google all addresses to find out if tenants at those addresses are an issue #6) check for suits agains the owner... I could go on. All this helps to give you an edge understanding where she 'is' in her dealing with this (alleged) problem property. Again, this is me... and apparently it's not a priority for you to communicate that you can help with a problem.

    I've seen some good advice from people who seem to 'get it'.

    "Start being a solution and stop being a problem she has to deal with."

    "Ask her if there is anything she needs help with."

    "I can think of 50 reasons that she verbally might have agreed and then put off returning your calls..." That's the 50 units... and management headaches that go with the assets.

    These posters will get my vote, because they are consistent with the way to interface with a new owner in this kind of circumstance.

    The problem is Wu, not her.

    Thanks for your comments. Just so you know I do have experience managing 50 units by myself and I know exactly what she is going thru. She has a crew of 4 people that is helping her managing all the properties. Her properties are just couple of blocks from mine and I know what are the challenges and rental going on. What you said about google all tenants that in my opinion is just nuts. Seriously? Checking liens and lawsuits will be part of the title company due diligence anyway.  Im not going to spend money doing lien search on 20 properties without even having a contract signed. That would not make sense at all. This is not about Me or Her or being Male or Woman or Black or White with kids or without kids as I saw many people discussing it. It does not matter for me what gender or race you are. This is a business transaction. She is in need of cash because she told me she had to sold dirt cheap one duplex just to get money to fix her roof. My Help to her is to offer her full asking price to buy the properties so she can take the cash and do whatever she needed to do. She sent me a list of the properties and we I had to go over all properties county records to check each properties and get the appraisal price. I then submitted her the report so she could have a clear picture of the values of her properties. Am I not helping her? I'm not a wholesaler. I don't do this everyday. Yes! I'm the problem and my problem was taking her word too seriously and move too fast without realizing that she might not be ready to do the deal yet. Most sellers will love to have a buyer that offers full asking cash and it's proactive to close IMO. 

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