Does refinancing conventional into portfolio loans restart the four mortgage limit?

Does refinancing conventional into portfolio loans restart the four mortgage limit?

Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Someone asked me this question the other day.  They had several properties with high interest rates which they couldn't refi conventionally, but they were able to find a portfolio loan.  He is wondering whether or not he can get a conventional loans since he has none now.  Anybody have any insight into this?  

Thanks!

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Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
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No.  The type of loan is irrelevant for the "four loan limit".  Those limits refer to "mortgaged properties".  They don't refer to "the number of conventional mortgages".  So, if you already have four mortgaged properties, you're in the next category for getting a conventional mortgage.

Now, some commercial mortgages may not appear on your personal credit report.  And portfolio mortgages are typically commercial mortgages.  But even if they don't appear on your credit report, they still count.  

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  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    11y

    Just putting this back to the top. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
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    No.  The type of loan is irrelevant for the "four loan limit".  Those limits refer to "mortgaged properties".  They don't refer to "the number of conventional mortgages".  So, if you already have four mortgaged properties, you're in the next category for getting a conventional mortgage.

    Now, some commercial mortgages may not appear on your personal credit report.  And portfolio mortgages are typically commercial mortgages.  But even if they don't appear on your credit report, they still count.  

  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    That was my  thought @Jon Holdmanbut wanted to see if anyone had a different view. 

  • Davidson, NC · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 6 votes
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    Fannie Mae will finance up to 10 properties to the same owner. The requirements become a bit more stringent after the fourth property. For example there are greater reserves required, no cash-outs (only "limited" cash outs). So as long as your friend has less that 10 financed properties, they could go through Fannie as long as they meet the underwriting requirements. The hardest part of the FNMA 5-10 properties program is finding a broker/lender who will do those loans. Stonegate and Crescent Mortgage both used to do them.

  • Davidson, NC · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 6 votes
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    PS I believe Crescent is an Atlanta mortgage company.

  • Rental Property Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 128 posts · 64 votes
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    Jonathan Cundiff with Wells Fargo here in Atlanta will go up to 10 properties.  So will @Jerry Padilla with MB Financial Bank.  I can send you Jonathan's information if you're interested.

  • Lender · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Heather W. and @Cal C.

    @Jon Holdman is correct. He is very knowledgable and an expert in the financing field as well. 

    Portfolio or conventional or hard money or private money....... Every residential loan counts - even a blanket mortgage - counts for as many mortgages as properties that is is covering for residential. 

  • Investor · Peachtree Corners, GA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Millie D.@Heather W.

    Thanks, but I think they have a few more than ten.  And from what I understand the overlays on houses 5-10 can be daunting hence the question about four. 

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 281 posts · 110 votes
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    I'm going to assume a portfolio loan under an LLC but having my personal guarantee would count against me?

    This is a knowledge bomb dropped on me if this is the case!

  • Lender · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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    @Joshua Springer 

    Yes. The LLC will be retraced back to you along with the mortgages as well.

  • Residential Real Estate Agent · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 281 posts · 110 votes
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    Thanks for the info.  Better to hear it now then when I really don't want to hear it :)

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2013 · 11 posts · 7 votes
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    Quit worrying about small dollars.  Think like the sharks. Consult your attorney, wealth, CPA and tax advisers...why not place it in the name your C Corp Trust which manages one of your LLCs?  Protection of assets and  personal liability is key.  

    Sharkettes and sharks never lose everything due to damages.

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