Trying to decide whether to sell rental property

Trying to decide whether to sell rental property

Real Estate Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes

Hi all,

My wife and I bought a 2/1 condo in 2005 for $435K in San Mateo, CA. Due to our children's schooling situation we had to move into a San Francisco rental and rent out the condo which we have done since 2010. We refinanced the condo at 4% for 30 years which makes our mortgage $1,975 on now around $400K. After a few dark years, the market in San Mateo has recovered very well and now we are looking at a possible sale price on $675-700K. We currently rent it out for definitely below-market value at $2,400/mo. as this was a few years ago. We rent it out to Section 8 folks who have been great but we could definitely rent it for more (haven't had the heart to jack up the rent on them.) I've seen on Zillow as high as possibly $3,200/mo. However, when we did our taxes this year in addition to the $6K in property taxes, $6K in income taxes (rental income included) and around $10K in HOA (which we deducted), we are just wondering if it makes sense anymore. We actually had to borrow money to pay taxes from my sister-in-law and we are saving as much as we possibly can and are still coming up short with a combined income of ~150K excluded the rental income. We don't spend frivolously and am dedicated to savings but it still is not enough. Because we haven't lived in the condo for five years we are going to get hit with capital gains taxes and possibly a host of other taxes/fees. We're just wondering if the gross from the sale ($275-300K) minus whatever is taken out is worth it. One thought I had was to do an exchange on a property in somewhere more affordable like the Pacific Northwest to avoid the tax penalty, rent it out until we retire, and then move in but my wife seems very committed to the Bay Area and we simply can't afford to buy here even with a large down payment. Sorry for the very long-winded ask for advice but your insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks! Dan

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Residential Real Estate Broker · San Mateo, CA · Member since 2013 · 585 posts · 264 votes
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Dan Braunstein your are actually not in an uncommon situation for those that do buy and hold here. Let's try and hop on the phone to discuss a strategy, but speaking with a smart real estate CPA is step number one. Cash flow is not always king in the Bay Area, but without diving into it too much you did pretty darn well in equity!
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  • Residential Real Estate Broker · San Mateo, CA · Member since 2013 · 585 posts · 264 votes
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    Dan Braunstein your are actually not in an uncommon situation for those that do buy and hold here. Let's try and hop on the phone to discuss a strategy, but speaking with a smart real estate CPA is step number one. Cash flow is not always king in the Bay Area, but without diving into it too much you did pretty darn well in equity!
  • Investor · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 176 posts · 121 votes
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    @Dan Braunstein I agree with Ryan on this. See a CPA ASAP. If you are negative cash on the condo you should not be paying taxes on the "rental income" because there is none. The CPA should be able to find this, and file an amendment to adjust your tax bill. Keep in mind I am not a CPA, but have been in your exact situation. Get a real estate knowledgeable CPA.

    As far as selling... That is up to you. If you have somewhere to move the money via a 1031 exchange AND it will be much better investment, then do it. If not, then keep the condo until you find that better investment. But raise the rent. Don't worry about the Section 8. The rent rules will keep you in check. Check your lease and section 8 rules to see when you can sell.

  • Real Estate Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
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    Thanks Michael. I appreciate the feedback. I think we all agree after chatting with Ryan that the first order of business is talking to a CPA. 

  • Rental Property Investor · La Quinta, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 779 votes
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       Assuming you are not confident in future appreciation, or how much that might be, it probably makes sense to sell this property and re-invest the profits into an asset where there are returns you feel more confident in.  If that new asset is real estate, a 1031 exchange is likely a good call.

      Keeping $300k captive with a near-zero return seems ill-advised to me.  I believe you indicated this was your primary residence for years, so you'll likely pay no tax on the gain.  Even if you paid 15% LTCG, if you re-invested the profits in an investment returning 8%, you'd surpass  that $45k in about 2 years with the profits from your new investment.

  • Real Estate Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
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    Hey John. Thanks for the input as well. A lot to think about. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Indialantic, FL · Member since 2014 · 145 posts · 71 votes
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    Dan Braunstein even with a capital gains tax, I'd sell! Put your energy towards finding an investment with the proceeds that will give you a nice return
  • Professional · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2014 · 876 posts · 301 votes
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    @Dan Braunstein, if you're an accredited investor, you might consider a 1031 exchange (save you from paying capital gains) and reinvestment into DSTs. They are hands-off, institutional grade real estate investments, and they allow you the option to diversify. If that interests you, you can start to learn more at my website. Best of luck! Leslie

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
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    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
    10y

    A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
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    @Dan Braunstein A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
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    @Dan Braunstein A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Attorney · Bay Area, CA · Member since 2016 · 164 posts · 135 votes
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    @Dan Braunstein A 1031 exchange sounds like a good idea if you don't need the cash. I would exchange the condo for an SFR in the Bay Area, so you are not paying those crazy HOA fees. Alternatively, you can seller finance to someone so that the income is coming to you in installments (installment sale). This way you only pay capital gains tax on the amount that is received each year rather than taking a big hit all at once.

  • Rental Property Investor · Savannah, GA · Member since 2014 · 298 posts · 67 votes
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    Sounds like an alligator. Get it off your back. HOA dues over $800 a month? Eesh! Don't worry about a 1031 exchange. That only works if you're buying a place equal to or greater in value. Just past the tax. Buy some SFR's in Memphis or St. Louis, where you can pay them off quickly and get good cash flow.

  • Rental Property Investor · Savannah, GA · Member since 2014 · 298 posts · 67 votes
    10y

    Sounds like an alligator. Get it off your back. HOA dues over $800 a month? Eesh! Don't worry about a 1031 exchange. That only works if you're buying a place equal to or greater in value. Just past the tax. Buy some SFR's in Memphis or St. Louis, where you can pay them off quickly and get good cash flow.

  • Rental Property Investor · Savannah, GA · Member since 2014 · 298 posts · 67 votes
    10y

    Sounds like an alligator. Get it off your back. HOA dues over $800 a month? Eesh! Don't worry about a 1031 exchange. That only works if you're buying a place equal to or greater in value. Just pay the tax. Buy some SFR's in Memphis or St. Louis, where you can pay them off quickly and get good cash flow.

  • Rental Property Investor · Savannah, GA · Member since 2014 · 298 posts · 67 votes
    10y

    Oops!

  • Real Estate Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Something weird going on with duplicate posts in this thread. Thanks @Account Closed for some excellent advice!

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