New investor to Memphis market

Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 2 votes

Hello BP.

I am an out of state investor that has been researching the Memphis market for buy and hold opportunities. I have read many times on the forum about the importance of knowing the individual neighborhoods that you are looking to invest in.

The areas that I have decided to focus on are Hickory Hill and Germantown (zips 38115 and 38141). These seem to be solid B class neighborhoods. I am looking mainly for small multi-family units.

I am reaching out to experienced investors in this area to help fill in the gaps. Specifically, questions I have include:

are these desirable areas to live?

do these areas experience higher than average vacancy rates?

Do units require extensive rehab after each turnover?

Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated!

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Alex CraigBusiness Member

Real Estate Professional · Memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

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@James Tatlow 38115 and 38141 are Memphis, TN. Germantown is a high end suburb of Memphis with zip codes of 38138 and 38139. It is hard to find cash flow deals in Germantown for under $200,000, but if you can find them, then by all means snag them. I have been looking for 5 years and can't find a cash flow deal there.

The 2 zip codes you have identified for the most part are solid "B" class, but there are "C" class for sure within those zip does, especially in the multifamily space. The "B" classes are desirable to live, but with any "C" class area, the tenant really does not choose the area, the area chooses them. Meaning, no one chooses to live in higher crime, lower rent areas, but because of their financial situation, that is where they end up. I prefer investing in areas people want to live, not have to live. Multifamily in these areas slide down to a "C" class. A good example of this are the multifamily properties on Apple Blossom. This is an area of 38115 that is "C" class all the way. There are 9 active multifamily listings on this street, all by out of state owners who probably thought they were buying in "B" class. This area is pretty rough, but if you go N of Winchester and East of Clarke within 38115 and into 38141, then you get back into B class. Memphis is tricky that way.

As for rehab, our avg cost to get a property back on the market after a 18 month lease is $1,400. But keep in mind you have other fees such as lease up fees, yard maintenance during the summer and utility bills. Most of our tenants end up staying 30+ months. Turnover is typically high if the following things happen:

1) Bad screening

2) Property is sub-par with nicer houses in the area that give the tenants a reason to move

3) Bad customer service from the Property Management. Communication and swift response is so important for tenant retention. Zillow did a report a couple of years ago naming bad customer service as the # 1 reason why tenants move out.

4) Bad luck -- lets face it, this happens. Tenants lose jobs, get transferred, die, get sick, get married, get divorced or some other life changing situation. I have a tenant in my house that is going on year # 8 and while we take care of her and give her great service, I attribute some of the long stay to luck that no life changing situation has happened that would cause her to move.

Good luck....would love to help out.

901-848-9028

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Tina Sandoval
Real Estate Broker · Memphis, TN · Member since 2015 · 95 posts · 77 votes
10y
Welcome @James Tatlow! I would like to help you and get you in the know about the Memphis market. I will PM you!
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Alex CraigBusiness Member
Real Estate Professional · Memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@James Tatlow 38115 and 38141 are Memphis, TN. Germantown is a high end suburb of Memphis with zip codes of 38138 and 38139. It is hard to find cash flow deals in Germantown for under $200,000, but if you can find them, then by all means snag them. I have been looking for 5 years and can't find a cash flow deal there.
The 2 zip codes you have identified for the most part are solid "B" class, but there are "C" class for sure within those zip does, especially in the multifamily space. The "B" classes are desirable to live, but with any "C" class area, the tenant really does not choose the area, the area chooses them. Meaning, no one chooses to live in higher crime, lower rent areas, but because of their financial situation, that is where they end up. I prefer investing in areas people want to live, not have to live. Multifamily in these areas slide down to a "C" class. A good example of this are the multifamily properties on Apple Blossom. This is an area of 38115 that is "C" class all the way. There are 9 active multifamily listings on this street, all by out of state owners who probably thought they were buying in "B" class. This area is pretty rough, but if you go N of Winchester and East of Clarke within 38115 and into 38141, then you get back into B class. Memphis is tricky that way.
As for rehab, our avg cost to get a property back on the market after a 18 month lease is $1,400. But keep in mind you have other fees such as lease up fees, yard maintenance during the summer and utility bills. Most of our tenants end up staying 30+ months. Turnover is typically high if the following things happen:
1) Bad screening
2) Property is sub-par with nicer houses in the area that give the tenants a reason to move
3) Bad customer service from the Property Management. Communication and swift response is so important for tenant retention. Zillow did a report a couple of years ago naming bad customer service as the # 1 reason why tenants move out.
4) Bad luck -- lets face it, this happens. Tenants lose jobs, get transferred, die, get sick, get married, get divorced or some other life changing situation. I have a tenant in my house that is going on year # 8 and while we take care of her and give her great service, I attribute some of the long stay to luck that no life changing situation has happened that would cause her to move.
Good luck....would love to help out.
901-848-9028
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Curt DavisBusiness Member
Flipper/Rehabber · Memphis, TN · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
10y
James, Germantown is not part of the of either of the zip codes you stated. If you would like to chat I would be happy to help educate you more with no sales pitch.
Send me a pm if you would like to connect.
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James Tatlow
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Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 2 votes
10y
Great information @Alex Craig and @Curt Davis. This is exactly the type of information I was looking for.
Thank you.
James
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Dean HarrisBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Memphis, TN · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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James Tatlow Welcome to Memphis! Please be sure your source for properties is experienced and can be trusted. Those zip codes aren't in Germantown. I represent clients that use the "Brrrr" method for buying. There are very reputable TK providers on BP in Memphis as well. If you would like to hear how my clients earn an annual ROI in the "teens", I'm happy to speak with you and share their strategies and success points! Good luck and welcome to investing in Memphis!
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Daniel Highsmith
Investor · Cross Plains, TN · Member since 2016 · 59 posts · 12 votes
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Alex Craig What did you mean by, "Property is sub-par with nicer houses in the area that give the tenants a reason to move." Does that mean the rehab was done poorly/cheaply? Or just the surrounding area is sub-bar? Thanks for the info!
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Tas S.
Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 13 votes
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Go talk to Reedy Investment Properties. I just bought 3 houses with them. They're very knowledgeable, helpful, and professional. I've researched that market for over year now and met with several turnkey companies before picking Reedy.
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Tas S.
Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2015 · 24 posts · 13 votes
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Link http://www.memphisinvestmentproperties.net/
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James Wise
Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
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Welcome aboard @James Tatlow
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Alex CraigBusiness Member
Real Estate Professional · Memphis, TN · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Daniel Highsmith I was meaning the rehab. A property that looks old and dated will be vacant far more then a nicer one that has been updated with new countertops, nice ceiling fans (not the cheap 4 blade white ones), new vanities, nicer faucets, exterior neutral paint colors, ceramic tile in kitchen and baths. Your tenants will have choices of places to live, give them a great home and great customer service to give you the best shot at a long term tenant.
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James WachobBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · Memphis, TN · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 890 votes
10y
@Tas S. thanks for the shout out! Next time your in Memphis we will have to hit up a Grizzles game!
@James Tatlow one of my investor friends has 3 duplexes in Hickory Hill. I can give you his contact info.
Jw
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