House is not selling, Advise Please!

House is not selling, Advise Please!

Flipper · Boston, MA · Member since 2010 · 9 posts · 1 vote

Hi,

Hope you are all doing well. I am posting on this forum for advise on marketing / selling a current real estate deal.

My partner and I recently bought a fix and flip property in Dallas, TX. We purchased it as out of state buyers as we are both in Mass. We financed the purchase and rehab with hardmoney as well as a descent capital investment ($60K). We managed the rehab remotely, which took a bit longer than anticipated but overall not too bad.

Unfortunately, the advice that we received on the area, ARV, and marketing / resale time from the wholesaler, realtor, lender, and appraiser was over zealous. So now we are paying a hard money loan on property that is not selling with a price that is much lower than the original ARV we were quoted (which we vetted several times via multiple appraisals).

We have hired a top realtor in the are who is marketing the property and doing between 4 to 6 shouwings per week over the past three weeks. We have also advertised the property on CL for rent and as a sale with owner finance. But the response has not been great.

Any other advise for selling a property super quick, short of continuing to lower the price?

Thanks in advance.

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Jerry PuckettPro Member
Wholesaler · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2010 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
14y

Juan Difot
Ok, just a few thoughts...
1) there is a lot of competition with 9 other active houses to compete with within a quarter mile.

2) Yours is not the prettiest house. Hard to tell from pictures yes, but your competition did not skimp on finishes in baths or kitchen.

3) Average days on market (for solds) is 100, you have been listed for 25. You may have overlooked this metric before. Your competitors have been on market for an average of 43 days ( with the lowest priced at 105 days)

4) If you really narrow down your appraisal to using nothing but sold comps within a quarter mile and no more than 6 months back, you're right on target with your ARV. However, if you eliminate the two 800sqft houses (remember, in this area the value is in the land) that are skewing the $ per sq/ft, you come to an ARV of $235,000.

Your listing does not say Owner finance Available. Put that in and you may get overwhelmed with offers. I always do.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    14y

    Isn't this guy the wholesaler on the house in this thread?
    http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/fishhead284

  • Wholesaler · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 294 posts · 152 votes
    14y

    Steve,

    I have never worked for New Western but I have relationships with some of their current and ex-employees. It is my understanding that NWA is a large company that has a very high turnover rate. Their employees are paid purely on commission and their "salesmen" are at the bottom of the commission ladder. They specialize in hiring recent grads that are eager to work hard in a new career. I've spoke to several of their employees and it seems like a dog-eat-dog, high pressure sales environment. I “cut my salesmen teeth” in a environment similar to this one and can appreciate it for what it is.

    I also agree with statements previously stated in this thread about NWA.

    “He who kills the most, eats the best.”

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    14y

    "As you all know first prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. Anyone wanna see second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. Get the picture? "

  • Wholesaler · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 294 posts · 152 votes
    14y

    Coffee's for closers.

  • Commercial Real Estate Lender / Syndicator · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 888 posts · 309 votes
    14y
    Originally posted by Steve Babiak:
    Isn't this guy the wholesaler on the house in this thread?
    http://www.biggerpockets.com/users/fishhead284

    Different office. Different sales guy.

    Stinson Bland check the website on that link. I thought the HV name was trademarked. Did NWA buy a franchise?

  • Wholesaler · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 294 posts · 152 votes
    14y

    Carlos F. Good catch... I'll forward that to corporate. Thanks.

  • Investor · bronx, NY · Member since 2008 · 265 posts · 42 votes
    14y

    Have you considered a professional auction company to sell it quickly ?

    Is anyone here with experience with auction companies - please share your experience with them...know about them but have not used them..

  • Real Estate Agent · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2011 · 19 posts · 6 votes
    14y

    Wow!!! Think I learned more about my hometown in this tread then the whole 21 years of living there. You guys are great and I see how you protect BP'ers. I wish i was living in the Metroplex again. Thanks for all the expertise.

  • Specialist · Dallas, TX · Member since 2009 · 20 posts · 95 votes
    14y

    Dont let these guys let you think someone has mislead you. You state you received several subject-to appraisals certifying the value. Lenders typically are not in the business of overvaluing the assets they lend on. I rehab and sell similar homes with hard money in the area and I know the most important part is managing the rehab so the house shows like the top of the market. I couldn't imagine running a rehab on a house of that value from another state, it would be suicide! I would venture to guess that's why it hasn't moved. I would count your losses and chalk it up as tuition.

  • Developer · Garland, TX · Member since 2008 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    14y

    It's been months. Perhaps it's sold now.

    Michael, San Antonio is a nice investment town, too.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Corona Del Mar, CA · Member since 2013 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Juan & Anyone who is having trouble moving a property...

    SOMETIMES... Its just about changing the message. Recently I wrote an article about this topic exactly. Changing the message, fine tuning it to the right kind of buyer, and marketing directly at their appeal can really make a difference. I posted the article here , take a look:

    ?

    "How I Sold a 2-Year FSBO In 13 Days"

    ?This is the story of a home in Newport Beach that went unsold for 2 years, first listed by another agent, then as an FSBO, and then sold for full price, with 8 offers in 13-days!

    By Michael Parker, Broker

    Many times I have taken on a listing that another agent or homeowner couldn't sell.

    I would change nothing but the marketing message, and the home would sell almost instantly! It just happened again.

    If I had just one method to effectively sell, this is what I'd do. It's not about having an exciting message, but a more honest one.

    They worked their tails off to try to sell this house. They spent thousands on things like: a virtual tour that included high-quality production values with voice-over narration and music, a 4-color professionally-printed brochure, and open house parties for agents and the public. All with no results.

    Most interesting; at the end, they felt they simply had a “problem” house.

    Anyone could come to the same conclusion based on harsh feedback about the house:

    "The lot was half slope without usable yard, the master was small and isolated, the courtyard was wasted space..."

    Many complaints poured in that the house was too small and unimpressive given that the neighbors were in the 2,000 - 4,000 sf range with prices up to $3M (this one was $1.95m and had a little under 2,000 sq. ft.)

    What would you do in this situation?

    I carefully studied the previous marketing and realized all of the complaints about the house were not credible at all. Why?

    The marketing was attracting the wrong profile of buyers over, and over, and over. The house wasn’t the problem, it was the message that was the “problem”.

    They made the mistake of focusing on where to relay a message instead of the message itself. To sell this "problem" house I created an updated marketing message and put it in the right place (not the MLS).

    I didn’t do any of the things in their previous attempt. I changed nothing but the marketing message. I got eight offers in four days, and the home sold for full price!

    I have done this for years — updating the marketing message to attract the right buyer.

    But the real story lies in the observation that most people concentrate their marketing efforts on the method of delivering a message rather than the message itself.

    In recent years agents have spent lots of money and time on the latest marketing fad, social media. Agents and sellers tend to jump from one trend to the next without considering the message that is being used.

    Besides “new” media, the real estate industry has another distraction that dooms most advertising of listings.

    Advertising messages should always be positive and upbeat. . . are you sure?

    The belief that you mention anything in your advertising that might be seen as a drawback will scare people away is simply untrue!

    Every home has something about it that will turn off some buyers. The house may have a small yard. It may be dated. It may be on a busy street. It may not have a view etc.

    Fear of the home not being “perfect” results in agents who use timid marketing pieces to sell houses. Most agents simply list the number of bedrooms, baths and living areas.

    All over the country agents use stock phrases like “gourmet kitchen”, “granite counters” and “highly-rated schools”.

    Have you noticed this too?

    They’re trying to attract all buyers in the market instead of the right one — the one that will buy this listing!

    The previous sellers and their ex-agent on the listing in my example not only used this approach, they ignored all of the drawbacks, as if no one would notice these features when they walked in the house!

    My message was bold and decisive. I made no apology for the home’s attributes. I promoted the “drawbacks” as benefits. I did NOT turn a negative into a positive, I used a very specific message to attract a small, targeted audience of buyers who WANTED this home just the way it was.

    Are you ready apply my method?

    If you listed, or tried to sell your home privately and it did not sell yet, it's time to change the message!

  • Mechanicsburg, PA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    12y

    @Juan Difot

    If a property has been adequately advertised and has not sold in say 90 days then it is the PRICE. Any property, no matter the condition, economy, location, appraisal, or comps will sell at the proper market price if properly exposed to the market place.

    The PRICE problem is exaggerated by the distance and unfamiliarity that you have with the area.

  • Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    4y

    And look at this property now. Doubled in value and then some in 10 yrs

  • Gainesville, FL · Member since 2013 · 127 posts · 21 votes
    4y

    Looks like the property is in or close to a little crime pocket on the Trulia listing.

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