Looking for advice about whether to buy or rent

Looking for advice about whether to buy or rent

Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 9 votes

My partner and I have been considering purchasing a duplex as an investment for our first home. We moved back to Minneapolis last year after living in Los Angeles for 2 years. We have been renting for the past year at $1200/month.

Sadly, I do not qualify for an FHA loan at this time because I took a second job in April that effectively split my income in half. I was informed that I need to work both jobs for two consecutive years for the lender to count both jobs as income. My total income did not change when I took the new job. I reduced my hours at my first job to take the second. I make $72k between the two jobs with the potential to make more with overtime as I'm a nurse.

A couple weeks ago, our dog tragically killed our upstairs neighbor's cat when we let him outside in our fenced yard. Our neighbor is the son of our landlord, who we have had a relationship with for the past 9 years. Our neighbors have informed us that they plan to get another cat and would be uncomfortable with us living there with our dog. They said it is "no rush" but would "appreciate" if we found somewhere else to live.

We had planned on taking the next 1.5-2 years to save money for a duplex. The idea of paying for moving expenses just to move into another rental makes me feel sick. We would likely end up spending more on rent since we have a dog and two cats and this makes finding a rental difficult.

How difficult is it to find owner financing deals? We don't have a lot of money saved up (only 2,500). I do have a personal line of credit with a 10k limit at 10% interest that I could use if needed. I also have about 20k in retirement funds that I would prefer not to tap into but would consider for the right deal. My partner and I make about 100k in combined income.

Any advice would be appreciated. Do you think it is worth our time to explore seller financing or should we just bite the bullet, find another rental, and continue to save until we can qualify for an FHA loan in 2 years?

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Flipper/Rehabber · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
7y

@Kayla Wagenmann right now it sounds to me like your best bet is to save up. You can't take a loan from your IRA accounts so the only option of tapping them would be a distribution and you may owe early withdrawal penalty. I would recommend you talk to @Scott Jensen about your investments, I would not recommend throwing them into your company plan especially if you would consider using them for your home.

I would contact @Tim Swierczek to confirm on the loan side whether he can find an exception for a low down payment loan and you should reach out to @Jordan Moorhead as seller financing may be your only solution. Can also read his house hacking book.

At the end of the day renting may still be your best option, it is good that you are saving but you don't want to be house broke and want to make sure you have money for if repairs come up.

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  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    I find Contract for deed properties all the time but they typically want a bare minimum of 10% down. It's almost always better to use bank financing if you can get it. Why not take a loan from your 401K @Kayla Wagenmann? I did to buy my first home and it was completely worth it.

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    7y

    @Kayla Wagenmann  You may not like this suggestion, but what about finding a new home for your dog until you saved up enough to buy your own home?

    If you are making $72K per year, how much of that are you saving and what are your other bills?  You mentioned you only had saved up $2500, but I don't know how long you've been working to save that up.  

    Based on the numbers you provided, it would appear that your partner is making $28K per year (you stated your combined income is $100K).  Can they get another job that pays more or work more hours to increase your income.

    I don't know Minneapolis to know what typical rents are, but are there less expensive options (a mobile home)?

  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Theresa Harris average rent for a 2 bedroom in Minneapolis is $1500-1700. More if you have pets and want short term.

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    @Theresa Harris

    We heavily considered rehoming our dog but do not have the heart to do it. There is nobody that can take him for the time that we need. He is an 8 year old rescue that we got 2 years ago. He has a lot of special needs and we don't feel right rehoming him because we feel he has already experienced enough trauma.

    My partner's income is very new. I have been, for the most part, supporting us both for about 3 years. I anticipate that his new stable employment will allow me to accelerate my savings rate. Right now, I'm able to save about $600 per month while covering all living expenses and my debt payments. We spend about $300-400 every two weeks on variable expenses (food, gas, household items, etc.) So I don't feel like we are living an extravagant lifestyle.

    Debt is definitely a large burden for me though. I'm kind of kicking myself now because I was funneling an extra $600-800 per month towards debt instead of saving. And now we need that cash to secure a place to live.

    The only thing that keeps me hopeful is the fact that I have not accrued any additional debt in the past 2 years after being extremely financially irresponsible in my early 20s.

    My biggest fear is that a mortgage will be another financial mistake. But I have also been looking into house hacking for the past 1.5 years. I just thought I had more time to save and get our financial house in order before making the jump. But now I have to consider the pros and cons of moving into another, more expensive rental or buying.

    Also, it seems as though our neighbors just generally would prefer that we move after the trauma of the incident. They have been gracious enough to tell us there is no "rush". But on the other hand, they have told us that they "would appreciate us finding another place to live". That's Minnesota nice for saying "we don't want you to live here anymore and our mom is your landlord so good luck."

  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    7y

    @Kayla Wagenmann  That's understandable.  I hope you are able to find something that works with your budget (and pets).  Short term, you could always stay with family, but that gets old quickly.

  • Rental Property Investor · Concord, GA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    I understand your feelings for your dog but I think that maybe that perspective needs to be reconsidered. Especially in light of the dog v cat incidence.

    Other than that, I don't think you're yet in a position to buy a property. With your combined incomes and some frugal living, you could position yourselves better but signing another lease somewhere else may be the best financial move right now until you can save more and pay down more debt. I think that would be more prudent than adding even more debt, even if it is for property.

  • Todd SolbergPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Byron, MN · Member since 2015 · 71 posts · 34 votes
    7y

    Rent dont buy, there are hidden costs in buying. Rental is stress free and until you get financial stability you should wait. 

    The rescue will almost always help you find placement for your dog. Typically you have to sign saying you wont sell or give away the dog but return to the rescue service. 

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    @Jordan Moorhead

    I will have to check with my plans. Most of my money is in a traditional IRA as a rollover from my job in California. I need to look into moving this over to my 403b at my new job. I also need to check with my current plan to make sure I can take a loan

  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Kayla Wagenmann absolutely and check with your loan officer and cpa too. I'm not an expert on retirement accounts.

  • Scott JensenPro Member
    Financial Advisor · Blaine, MN · Member since 2014 · 477 posts · 387 votes
    7y

    @Kayla Wagenmann Why roll your IRA into the 403(b)? Often times employer sponsored retirement accounts have additional fees or poor investment choices. A lot of times it makes sense to keep the money in an IRA and slowly convert it to Roth in order to give yourself some liquidity and tax diversification.

  • Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2018 · 27 posts · 9 votes
    7y

    @Scott Jensen I plan to talk to somebody about my retirement accounts.

    Side note: does anybody in Minneapolis have any recommendations?

    I have a Betterment Traditional IRA. I have only lost money since rolling over my pension from money from UCLA last summer. I'm guessing I just rolled over at exactly the wrong time.

    My 403b at my current employer is performing quite well. But I really don't know the ins and outs of retirement accounts.

  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Kayla Wagenmann I'd PM Scott and he can help

  • Jordan MoorheadBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    @Kayla Wagenmann right now it sounds to me like your best bet is to save up. You can't take a loan from your IRA accounts so the only option of tapping them would be a distribution and you may owe early withdrawal penalty. I would recommend you talk to @Scott Jensen about your investments, I would not recommend throwing them into your company plan especially if you would consider using them for your home.

    I would contact @Tim Swierczek to confirm on the loan side whether he can find an exception for a low down payment loan and you should reach out to @Jordan Moorhead as seller financing may be your only solution. Can also read his house hacking book.

    At the end of the day renting may still be your best option, it is good that you are saving but you don't want to be house broke and want to make sure you have money for if repairs come up.

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