Buying low-end properties

Buying low-end properties

Houston, TX · Member since 2012 · 33 posts · 13 votes

I am near Houston. I buy and hold. Will do so for the next 30 years until I retire. I have more than 10 houses here now. Half are SFRs in A/B neighborhoods, half are duplexes in a C neighborhood. They cash flow, but are leveraged at about 80%. So I can't really get more bank financing for a few years until they pay down a bit....

I have a seller who is willing to finance low-end properties in C neighborhoods. He owns about 80 of them and I could probably pick up all of them over the next few years....

They are all in pretty bad shape. He only fixes things as the tenants complain and the minimal to rent them. They need a lot of work to bring them up to the standard that I am used to (and even to Code...), but no one really does this in these parts of the town. All of the houses are like this.

The properties are really inexpensive in that part of town (i.e., like $30K each). They would cash flow about $100 to $200 per door if I factor in minimal repairs and double the management costs with his financing. Also, I could fund a few more repairs myself if needed.

I understand the headache factor. I really worry about the legal/liability issues....

So I was wondering, has anyone had thoughts about this? Is anyone else going after these types of properties as long term buy and holds, and have you had any luck doing so? Do you basically pull the cash flow out for a few years and then fix them or do you just let them ride? Can you share some info on your story/experience?

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Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
13y

Can't speak to the liability issues but having bought junkers it can be rewarding if you slowly fix over time. Lots can happen over time to areas and they will either get worse, stay the same or improve. You could almost improve an area with that many houses.

The way I look at it is if you improve them faster than they deteriorate you will end up with a lot of really nice places. The trick is to use the tenants money and at the same time build a cash reserve.

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  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    Can't speak to the liability issues but having bought junkers it can be rewarding if you slowly fix over time. Lots can happen over time to areas and they will either get worse, stay the same or improve. You could almost improve an area with that many houses.

    The way I look at it is if you improve them faster than they deteriorate you will end up with a lot of really nice places. The trick is to use the tenants money and at the same time build a cash reserve.

  • Rental Property Investor · Manteno, IL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y

    On the one hand, you seem to be stuck with your investing right now anyway so this seems like it may be your only option to continue to grow your portfolio.

    On the other hand, those types of areas and properties would really worry me. Collections would be tough and you'd probably have to deal with theft, evictions and all kinds of nonsense.

    If you've got the time to handle all that, it might be worth considering. And if he's willing to seller finance all 80 over the next few years, thats some pretty good money (12k per month if you figure $150 per month per house).

    I'm just wondering what kind of depreciation you're getting off those and if you're going to see any appreciation at all. To me, the low end is strictly for cash flow and 100 to 200 a month doesn't seem like much cash flow for the headache and lack of an upside.

    But the seller financing is appealing.

    btw: If you're in Houston, you could probably look at a hard money lender and try to get in to some more houses that fit your current model with little to no money down provided you buy them right.

    If it were me, I'd stick with your current model. I don't want to deal with low end stuff as I'm afraid it would sour on my real estate altogether.

  • Realtor · Houston, TX · Member since 2011 · 916 posts · 296 votes
    13y

    I buy in low income areas; however I fix them right the first time so I don't have to keep going to fix things (I learned this the hard way). I also do this as a way to improve the neighborhood a lil bit. I would not do the deal at full price because since the houses are already in bad shape and the LL doesn't fix anything, I can guarantee that they need way more work than you can see. Offer a price after calculating what a full rehab would cost and what your minimum price per door should be.

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2012 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    I had a similar situation. My houses are in B and C areas. I know an investor who owns 120 houses in a C area. He's 80 years old and asked me if I wanted to buy 20 houses. After a lot of thought, I declined. He's a slumlord and does the bare minimum. I figured he would sell me the 20 worst houses. He's always in court. His houses are junk and mostly two bedrooms with no basements. Very hard to rent out.

    In your case, it depends if you're going to buy all 80 at once, or over time. If it's over time, make sure you're not buying the worst ones first.

    Also, I would recommend carrying a gun and learning a self defense. I train in Krav Maga. I love it and it's a very useful skill. It will give you more confidence when you deal with people.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2011 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    13y

    I tend to agree with everyone, but want to add that you should spend a minute to think big about this area. Sounds like you willing to go with the status quo. Why not aim to make a lot of money AND leave a legacy?

  • Investor · Colleyville, TX · Member since 2012 · 70 posts · 7 votes
    13y

    Based on the information you provided, I would say 150-200 P-cash low will not be enough to deal with the uncertainty of property conditions. Your seller doesn't sound like a very good landlord. It sounds like he has taken shortcuts and he wants to deflect some of the negative consequences off to you. Unless you are getting a really good price, I would stay away. Good luck!

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2012 · 33 posts · 13 votes
    13y

    Thanks for the input everyone. I am not sure if these are the worst properties he has, just because they all look pretty bad. Given the amount of repairs that would be needed, if I did pick some of these up and they made $1k or so a year (if I was lucky), it would probably take ten or more years before I actually kept money. That is a long time to wait for low end properties.... So I am still on the fence.

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