Using Land Trusts to wholesale REOs and Short Sales

Using Land Trusts to wholesale REOs and Short Sales

Crystal Lake, IL · Member since 2014 · 2 posts · 0 votes

Hey All,

I have a few question regarding using land trusts to wholesale REOs and shorts sales. I have used the Land Trust method (ie selling the beneficial rights of the land trust instead of the rights to the contract to get around the non - assignment clause in most REO and short sale transactions) a few times already but running into problems lately.

Although the first few went off without a hitch, I've had issues with using this process recently. The first issue - the cash buyers wired in funds for closing and because of a change to the HUD at the table there was an overage check. The problem was the title company would only issue the overage check to the "buyer" who was the land trust. The end buyer couldn't cash the check because it wasn't in their name and the land trust didn't have an EIN or bank account. To make matters worst even after we got an EIN number most banks would not let him open a bank account with a land trust.

I have another cash buyer who is willing to fund the initial purchase with personal cash but then needs to purchase the property from the land trust in his IRA. I'm nervous to close the initial purchase using a land trust now because of the issue with the previous buyer but its too late to change the name on the contract and there isn't enough spread to do a double close. Someone please help??

Second issue - I recently wrote an offer in a land trust on a short sale but immediately after it was accepted the short sale negotiator required a copy of the fully executed trust agreement, including EIN #, proof of funds, and the date the trust was created.

I was lucky enough to have the buyer already lined up for this one so we moved quick and paid the rush fee with the state of IL for the EIN # but I thought an EIN # wasn't required with a Land Trust and that its purpose was to protect the beneficiary's identity? If the Trust needs to be registered and provided how does it do either of those?

Sorry, I know this is a long one but its a great method but need help ironing out the kinks - thanks!!

Matt

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Broker / Investor · Tewksbury, MA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 351 votes
10y

I am curious does this still work at all? @Darrell Shepherd

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    12y

    Some banks I've dealt with on short sales won't allow a land trust to be the buyer, for the simple reason it's a flipping vehicle. You can expect much more scrutiny on them in the future.

  • Crystal Lake, IL · Member since 2014 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks Wayne! I've been using the Land Trust method for about a year now and, yes I agree, its being scrutinized more now than ever but I still find its the only approach I know of to get around the non-assignment clause (except for using an LLC but that's too expensive in IL).

    Anyone have any insight/advice/input on the specific questions posed above?

    Thanks!

  • Rehabber · Smyrna, GA · Member since 2013 · 864 posts · 510 votes
    12y
    The banks are basically catching on to this method so it won't be around for long. It doesn't take much to get an EIN, you can file it online at the IRS and have it that day. Your trust docs should be filled out when you create it. Why would you have trouble providing that? I've had to provide my trust docs at every closing, without them the atty doesn't know if the trustee has rights to sign on behalf of the trust. It is not automatic. You need to establish a relationship with a local bank. Most don't like trusts, and none want to jump through a lot of hoops just so you can cash one check. They will; however, work with you if you do a lot of business with them. Your trustee could possibly assign the check to another entity or the beneficial interest who can then deposit it, but again, you're gonna get some flack unless the bank knows you.
  • Broker / Investor · Tewksbury, MA · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 351 votes
    10y

    I am curious does this still work at all? @Darrell Shepherd

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