Under water on house- Is forclosure an option?

Under water on house- Is forclosure an option?

Goodyear, AZ · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 0 votes

Hello, I'm looking for some advise on what to do. In 2006 my wife and I purchased our first home in Lansing, MI. Honestly, I believe we overpaid unfortunately, and it cost us $107,000. We had an FHA loan with no down payment.

Enter 2008, the economy tanked and particularly in the state of MI work was non-existent. My wife and I found jobs in Phoenix, AZ and moved out of state. The home directly next to us sold that year for $4,500 (nope, not missing any zeroes, gotta love Michigan), so needless to say we opted to rent our house out and hope that some day the economy picks back up.

Since that time everything that could possibly need to be done on the house the renters have complained about and we have had to fix. The rent we receive for the home is $80 shy of our mortgage, so as it is we are losing money every month. in the last couple years we have had to scrape together over $6,000 for a new front porch, $1,500 for a new water heater, hundreds for a new window that allegedly broke during an earthquake, a new washer. a new sink and so much more. I am now being told by the property manager I will need to put a new roof on the home and something will need to be done about the leaky basement that is causing mold. It would cost us thousands to make the repairs.

We have tapped out our savings on this home, and it is currently worth around $60,000 while we still owe $90,000 (and even that would be assuming we put a new roof on and figured out what to do about the basement). We have no money left to make the repairs. Last I looked my credit score was around 815, with my wife's around the same. As much as it pains me to ruin our credit, something has got to give at this point and it is either this home that we don't even want or our current home in AZ.

At this stage I would love to just walk away from the disaster that is that home, but I have seen that in MI the lender can come after you for the lost funds even in the case of a short sale. I would hate to destroy our credit, then have my wages garnished and end up in a situation where I can't afford my AZ house either.

I am just looking for advice on where to go from here. Speak with the lender? Get a mortgage attorney? Stop making payments?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. We are doing well in our current home and state, but that bad purchase in MI will be haunting us for the rest of our lives!

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Investor · Jasper GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
9y

With an 800+ credit score you should be able to borrow enough to pay off the shortage.

I think you're getting taken to the cleaners by the property manager.

How long has it been since you have seen the property?

I know you didn't plan on this problem and I bet there are a lot of other absentee owners in similar situations. That's why I don't invest out of state.

Do you own other property?

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  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    "While I too thought of @Michaela G. 's Lease Option "creative REI solution" idea, I worry people forget about the Due on Sale clause it can potentially trigger"

    Connie, I did not suggest a lease option, but a wrap mortgage, where payment would go through a loan servicing company and subsequently there's less risk for a mortgage company to call a loan. That's different from a lease-option. The title could be transferred to an LLC with the address as name and then the ownership of the llc could be transferred to the new owner or something similar.

    What are the chances of a mortgage company calling a performing loan, that's at least 30K under water? 

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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    9y
    Few questions that need to be answered: 1. Do you own a home in Arizona ? If not then you will not be able to get a loan for 3 years (I believe). 2. The bank could sell the loan in lieu of foreclosure - then a 3rd party (such as a note investor) could go after you for the deficiency. Banks find it easier to sell the note than deal with the foreclosure 3. Do you have a 401k Or other means to borrow from ? A short sale can do some damage to your credit - probably knock it down 200-300 points and will take 7 years to come off your report. I am not sure $30k is worth it if it is truly worth $30k. Unfortunately if you don't have the $ to repair the. Not much you can do but let it go. I would think with that credit score though you could get a credit card to pay for repairs.
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    Property Manager · Queen Creek, AZ · Member since 2016 · 608 posts · 426 votes
    9y

    @John Backus One observation I take note of after reading this string is that the Property Manager seems to be looking at doing the repairs really nice. That front porch looks beautiful, but was it really necessary to do a full re-build? Did you explore handymen that could have jacked up the corner, maybe replace some of the decking and gotten a few years out of it given your situation? Maybe you and the Property Manager are on the same page and like to fix everything top notch but under the circumstances, you can't make that option work.

    You need to raise the rent and decrease expenses so it has a chance at working out. I manage properties and sometimes I have to adjust to the property and the owner. Some owners want everything super sharp, work done by licensed contractors etc and others want the band-aid approach by a handyman. Most are someplace in the middle! The basement, why is it collecting water, has the soil compacted around the house? Sometimes a few hundred dollars of drainage work (add dirt) and a sump pump can go a long ways. Of course, a new foundation with the proper drainage tiles and pumps all sealed tight would be great but not on your budget. Is the roof leaking, has anyone tried to repair it?

    If you are situated in AZ, don't expect to need a major purchase such as a house or car then maybe you explore the path of letting it go back via one of the methods. I don't have a clue regarding Michigan law and your situation but it would be pretty easy to make some contacts and find out.

    Bottom line, I'm being hard on you to get to really think it over. You have a 800 FICO score which is near perfect but this property needs to be treated like you have a 580 credit score, not so perfect!

    Don't be offended, actually trying to help you!!

  • Investor · Black Diamond, WA · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 0 votes
    9y
    Going out on a limb, but did this property manager perhaps suggest a contractor to use? They could just be trying to get a commission for a new roof. i would definately get a second opinion. In any case $30,000 really isn't all that much money to get back in appreciation over a few years. My rental was purchased for $306,000 in 2007, then fell to a low 0f $230,000 at the low point of the recession, and is now up to $410,000 today. trust me i had those thoughts too about letting it go, but i held it and couldnt be happier with that decision. keep your credit high, if you use it right it could bring you more money than your time.
  • Rental Property Investor · Greater Lansing Area, MI · Member since 2014 · 196 posts · 55 votes
    9y

    @John Backus I realize I'm a little late to this thread, but I'd be happy to check it out for you as well. Also agree with the suggestions of checking out other contractors/quotes. I'd be happy to send you a few that we've used and have been happy with if you need them. I'm also curious which property management company you're using...I've been asking around at local meetings for recommendations and there really haven't been any in this area. Feel free to pm me if you'd like.

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