This is how I buy zombie foreclosure properties.

This is how I buy zombie foreclosure properties.

Paul AmegatcherPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes

Please contact a real estate attorney before purchasing a zombie foreclosure. This is a complex strategy that requires the right expertise.

What is a zombie foreclosure?

I would define it as a property that has been abandoned by both the owner of record and the lien holders. How would you know if the property has been abandoned by the lien holders and the owner? The easiest way to check abandonment is to verify if the property is vacant and if the taxes are current or delinquent. If the property is vacant and the taxes show a delinquency of greater than 2 years then I would assume the lien holder, as well as the owner, have abandoned the property. Zombie foreclosures came into existence because at the bottom of the downturn banks/lien holders faced a problem that they had never encountered before. They were faced with massive foreclosures on properties that were worth less than the cost of the foreclosure process. One way to solve their burden was to write off the properties and leave them in the owner's name. This created a glut of properties that could not be bought or sold due to liens still being attached to the properties, thus creating a zombie foreclosure.

So how does an investor go about purchasing a zombie foreclosure?

Prior to purchasing a zombie property/foreclosure, you will need to perform a title search to understand what liens are attached to the property and owner. Some liens can be easily removed, where as state and federal liens are not easily removed. You will need to contact the owner of record. Once you have made contact, you will purchase the property or have them deed it to you through a quit claim deed subject to the liens. The owner needs to understand that they are still liable for the liens or delinquent mortgages attached to the property even if they have not paid the bank in years. The only time they are not personally liable for the liens is if they filed for a bankruptcy in the past and listed the lien holder as a creditor.

Once you take title to the property, you will need to file a quiet title action against any lien holders on record. This works best if the lien holders are a large bank. A quiet title action is a legal action against anyone or entity that has an interest in the zombie property. A quiet title action by definition requires the named parties to come forward to state their interest in the property. If the named parties do not come forward within the allotted time of the legal action, usually 28 days after being served, then they will lose their right to claim an interest in the property. They will also have their rights extinguished and a judge will sign an order to have the liens released.

This is a high-level strategy that requires a lot of knowledge and some cash as you will not be able to purchase these properties using financing. The beauty of this strategy is that it does not require a lot of cash. Most of the owners in my area (Dayton, OH) have sold their zombie properties for between $250 to $3000 plus the delinquent taxes. The cost of a quiet title action is between $1200-$1500 depending on which attorney you use. Most quiet title actions are won by default judgement due to the lien holders failure to respond or disclaiming their interest after being served the notice. As stated above please contact a real estate attorney before pursuing this strategy. When used correctly a zombie property can be purchased for pennies on the dollar and then the hidden equity can be released via a quiet title action. Good luck and let me know what your thoughts are in the comments section.

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Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
9y
My office HQ in Houston was basically a zombie. Don't tell anyone but before I was able to close on the thing I decided to move on in. Hell, my family came to town to visit and I bought furniture and they all stayed there before it was mine :-)
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  • Rental Property Investor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    My office HQ in Houston was basically a zombie. Don't tell anyone but before I was able to close on the thing I decided to move on in. Hell, my family came to town to visit and I bought furniture and they all stayed there before it was mine :-)
  • Rental Property Investor · Dayton, OH · Member since 2014 · 57 posts · 34 votes
    9y

    I have purchased 2 properties going through a quiet title action and both times it worked great.   I then went and set up a payment plan to pay the property taxes. 

  • Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2016 · 143 posts · 68 votes
    9y
    It seems a niche area where you can make some good money. How many zombies left today after years from the recovery?
  • Fix & Flip / Buy & Hold / Wholesaler · Toledo, OH · Member since 2016 · 99 posts · 33 votes
    9y
    Hi, do you suggest an attorney in Ohio?
  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Rob Badhorn:

    Hi, do you suggest an attorney in Ohio?

     Send me a pm and I can send you some info.

  • Investor · Roswell, GA · Member since 2016 · 73 posts · 38 votes
    9y

    @Paul Amegatcher,

    How much do you believe it costs the bank to go through the foreclosure process.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Brian Erlich:

    @Paul Amegatcher,

    How much do you believe it costs the bank to go through the foreclosure process.

     A range that I heard was $15k-$20k including property stablization and maintenance costs. Most of my zombie properties are located in "C" class neighborhoods in Dayton OH. So the property values for fixer uppers are between $10k-$20k. It made financial sense for the banks to abandon the properties.

  • Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    How does this impact the original owner? Does the mortgage stay on their credit reporting? Impact their credit like a foreclosure? Get removed from their credit report after the quiet title? Most banks won't lend when someone has an outstanding mortgage so would the owners be prevented from buying another house later because it still shows the zombie mortgage as a debt?

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Carolin Grable:

    How does this impact the original owner? Does the mortgage stay on their credit reporting? Impact their credit like a foreclosure? Get removed from their credit report after the quiet title? Most banks won't lend when someone has an outstanding mortgage so would the owners be prevented from buying another house later because it still shows the zombie mortgage as a debt.

    Carolin,

    Based on all the ones I have done, most of the owners have been delinquent in their mortgage payments in excess of four years. Also in regards to outstanding mortgage, most of these will be charged off by the bank as bad debt if they have not reported it as a foreclosure. There are rules that government what can be reported once the debt is charged off. I'm not an expert in this field. Based on my basic research a charged off debt stays on ones credit report for seven and a half years.  One caveat is that some of these lenders started a foreclosure filing so I'm not sure that they can report a forclosure and a charge-off on the same debt. The quiet title action does not impact the previous owners credit or report to the credit report.  

    From a liability position the previous owners get walk a way from a nuissance property and an uninsured property that could be inhabited by squatters. 

    I hope I answered your questions.

    Paul 

  • Lakeland, FL · Member since 2017 · 9 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Thanks Paul! I was trying to figure out how to answer potential questions from owners and what benefits they receive by selling to me, like no liability from squatters as you mentioned. I know a local investor who also does zombie foreclosures so you're not the only one!

  • Member since 2018 · 1 post · 1 vote
    8y

    Hi Paul. It has been a long time since you posted this but I believe info is still valid. & I hope you still follow:) 
    I think you explained the strategy of direct buy from owners. What do you think about properties (zombie houses) listed in tax foreclosure auctions? What are the significant advantages and disadvantages if you would compare buying from an owner (if you can find one or one finds you) and buying at an auction? I.e. which method is easier to finalize, which one would cost less, which one is less risky in terms of clarifying title&liens, etc.
    Thanks.

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Ilker Kalayci:

    Hi Paul. It has been a long time since you posted this but I believe info is still valid. & I hope you still follow:) 
    I think you explained the strategy of direct buy from owners. What do you think about properties (zombie houses) listed in tax foreclosure auctions? What are the significant advantages and disadvantages if you would compare buying from an owner (if you can find one or one finds you) and buying at an auction? I.e. which method is easier to finalize, which one would cost less, which one is less risky in terms of clarifying title&liens, etc.
    Thanks.

     Sorry for the late response. One advantage of buying the property from a tax foreclosure auction is that you will receive the deed free and clear without having to do the quiet title action. It also saves you the hassle of trying to locate the owner. The main disadvantage of the tax foreclosure auction is that you will be competing with other investors for the property.  If the liens against the previous owner are insignificant then I would prefer to purchase the property from the owner and not have to deal with competition. If the liens are excessive then the tax foreclosure auction will be the best route as it wipes out other junior liens. Each property will have to be assessed individually to see what way or strategy works best. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    @Paul Amegatcher I read your explanation of a "Zombie Foreclosure/Property" which was leaning more towards advice for the Buyer.  From the Owner's end, as far as selling their Zombie property would you advice the Owner/Seller to contact the lender and try to get a payoff/deed in leiu of foreclosure, etc. or just follow through with a Quit Claim Deed with the Buyer and have him/her contact the lender...for a response within 28 days for so like you mentioned?

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    8y
    @Erica Blackwell Most of the lenders will not negotiate a payoff with the original owner. They may be more willing to work with an investor. I've heard of lenders releasing liens with a request from a title company. I have not experienced this myself. I have always taken the quiet title route.
  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    Paul,

    I’m really hoping you can answer a few questions for me. I’ve been receiving multiple calls on a single family property that I’m listed as owner on public record. I was the original and only owner of a new construction property built in 2005. I filed BK in 2009 due to the market downturn. I included this property in the BK. The property has since been vacant, inhabited, ransacked, and ruined by the homeless etc since 2009. It’s in a tough neighborhood. I’m guessing the property has been written off by Suntrust (original lien holder) and either isn’t worth the cost to complete the foreclosure process or it’s already been written off. The Bank has not completed the foreclosure property and I’m still listed as the property owner on public record. My question to you is, do you think I can somehow file this quiet lien to acquire to property free and clear? I believe I’m getting all these phone calls because this is what is considered a zombie property. I thought the process may be easier since I’m actually listed as the owner. If I can acquire the property free and clear I’d like to renovate it and sell or even hold it as a rental unit. I look forward to your response! 

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Coley James:

    Paul,

    I’m really hoping you can answer a few questions for me. I’ve been receiving multiple calls on a single family property that I’m listed as owner on public record. I was the original and only owner of a new construction property built in 2005. I filed BK in 2009 due to the market downturn. I included this property in the BK. The property has since been vacant, inhabited, ransacked, and ruined by the homeless etc since 2009. It’s in a tough neighborhood. I’m guessing the property has been written off by Suntrust (original lien holder) and either isn’t worth the cost to complete the foreclosure process or it’s already been written off. The Bank has not completed the foreclosure property and I’m still listed as the property owner on public record. My question to you is, do you think I can somehow file this quiet lien to acquire to property free and clear? I believe I’m getting all these phone calls because this is what is considered a zombie property. I thought the process may be easier since I’m actually listed as the owner. If I can acquire the property free and clear I’d like to renovate it and sell or even hold it as a rental unit. I look forward to your response! 

    Your first step will be to get a title search on the property to see if there are any liens still attached to the property. You will be surprised to find that sometimes the banks release their liens if they write off the mortgage. The next step will be to verify if there are any delinquent taxes. If the taxes are current and there are no tax liens then I would say that the bank still has an interest in the property. Assuming the bank stopped paying on the taxes and they are now delinquent, then this is how I would approach the deal. I would transfer the property from your name into an LLC. I will then file a quiet title action to release any liens that are still attached. Once the liens are released you can proceed with rehabbing for rental or flips. Good luck.

    Paul Amegatcher

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    Paul, 

    I really appreciate your response. I'll run a title search. I know the taxes are at least one year delinquent per the county public record website. How would I go about transferring the property into my LLC. A quit claim deed? I've also contacted a real estate attorney and I'm awaiting a response. Do you think it's best to use them or can I handle these transactions on my own?

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    8y
    @Coley James Yes you would transfer the property via quit claim deed to the llc. Also use an attorney.
  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    8y

    Thanks a lot. I’ll let you know how things turn out. 

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    7y

    I have had no problem requesting a lien release from a mortgage company on a Zombie. I get QC deeds from the owners of record. 

    I have done this several times. The last I paid the owner $200 for a property he had left 6 years ago. The mortgage company had already filed a release.

    What happens is mortgages get sold many times and sometimes the appropriate paperwork gets lost. So when the foreclosure is attempted they end up getting cancelled and it creates the Zombie foreclosure.

    What would be interesting is finding a way to easily locate a list of zombie foreclosures.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @John Underwood:

    I have had no problem requesting a lien release from a mortgage company on a Zombie. I get QC deeds from the owners of record. 

    I have done this several times. The last I paid the owner $200 for a property he had left 6 years ago. The mortgage company had already filed a release.

    What happens is mortgages get sold many times and sometimes the appropriate paperwork gets lost. So when the foreclosure is attempted they end up getting cancelled and it creates the Zombie foreclosure.

    What would be interesting is finding a way to easily locate a list of zombie foreclosures.

    John I had my first one as well. got contacted and owner said bank just mailed the deed.. saying they delayed foreclosure to long.. the seller was about to lose it in 48 hours at tax sale so I cured that.. and then did a JV with him taxs were 20 some grand.. but it worked out well for all of us.. I had never heard that before.. and well. that's what I love about real estate you always learning something. in addition on the west coast we just don't really have zombie or boarded up houses.. at least not like other areas of the country we have a shortage of actual housing units.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @John Underwood @Jay Hinrichs It reminds me of my first short sale. I was so proud of the short sale package I had made up. It took me weeks to prepare. I was so disappointed when the bank didn't want to see it, They just sent a release.

  • Real Estate Investor · Oceanside, NY · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Hi Paul i am a lien holder and 2 properties in NJ become abandoned and vacant, (GOT LETTERS), can you suggest an attorney  to do quick foreclosure, i know it can be done in 60 days on those type of properties, thanks, Julia

  • Real Estate Investor · Oceanside, NY · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Paul, where can i get zombie foreclosures list let say in NJ, Julia

  • Paul AmegatcherPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · Brookville, OH · Member since 2016 · 488 posts · 363 votes
    7y

    @Julia Skripko I'm based in Ohio so I don't have an attorney in New Jersey that I can recommend. I would suggest that you contact some of the New Jersey based people on bigger pockets for recommendations. In regards to a list of zombie foreclosures, it does not exist. Most zombie foreclosures are found after finding a vacant property and doing some basic research on the owner.  

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