Here comes the foreclosure DOUBLE DIP!!!

Here comes the foreclosure DOUBLE DIP!!!

Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes

New figures are out. Many have been warning of further drops in values and PATIENCE will be a virtue in acquistions if you wait. Well, we now have the worst month recorded in the last 5 years... This can't be good for the economy, but should be great for buyers a year or so for now. When you add the drops occurring in rents in many areas, vacancies increasing and time required to rent lengthening, could be a perfect storm. Not sure if that'll be good or bad.
Sitting at JFK and bored. Overnight flight to Cairo later. No lockers here to leave luggage, and I don't want to lug 4 bags to sightsee! Reading lots of news and almost all is bad. Unemployment up, thousands stranded in UK and Scandanavia dur to Iceland volcanic ash. Oh well, just eat again and again. I won't miss anything if I wait awhile to buy more RE. Have a great weekend . Rich

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Real Estate Investor · Ocala, FL · Member since 2008 · 742 posts · 463 votes
16y

Rich,

I think we still have a long way to go. Personally, I think this will peek and valley until the end of 2014.

My opinion is that if an investor is able to truly eveluate the deal, that they will be able to profit.

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  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    Thanks for the additional reports . That is what makes BP nice. Rich

  • Developer · Prior Lake, MN · Member since 2010 · 118 posts · 46 votes
    16y

    Chart showing housing prices/median income. This is stunning!
    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/02/us-existing-house-price-median-family-income/

    Looking at this chart you'd think we have a long way to go to reach bottom, however I think low interest rates are keeping things up.

    A question that I do not hear asked very often is "What happens when interest rates rise over a long period of time?" We just benefited from 20 yrs of interest rate declines until they couldn't go any lower (i.e. now is as low as they'll go).

    Is it possible that rates could rise over a long period of time? Would that not erode real estate values? That is my biggest concern with buy and hold. The saving grace may be that the government needs inflation and low interest rates and they do control the printing presses.

    -Jaden

  • Developer · Prior Lake, MN · Member since 2010 · 118 posts · 46 votes
    16y

    Updated weekly market report out of Minneapolis/St. Pual shows the Double-dip trend continues even in the face of the tax credit expiration.

    It seems that the tax credit expiration is drawing more frantic sellers into the market than it is buyers.

    http://spaar.com/_uls/resources/Weekly_Market_Activity_Repo_17.pdf

    Summary:

    It's down to the wire in the Twin Cities housing market for consumers to
    take advantage of the tax credits, which are set to expire Friday, April
    30. With that looming deadline, sellers are far more active than buyers
    right now.

    For the week ending April 17, there were 2,353 new listings added, a
    21.9 percent increase vs. the same week last year. Over the last three
    months, there have been almost 4,000 more new listings than there
    were during the same period last year.
    Pending sales are also growing but not at the same breakneck pace.
    The 1,103 purchase agreements for the most recent reporting week
    were just 1.8 percent higher than a year ago. A heavy increase in new
    listings compared with a marginal increase in pending sales has led to a
    growth in inventory; total active listings are up 3.0 percent over last
    year.
    So what happens after the April 30 deadline? Since the tax credit
    deadline has shifted many buyers forward a few months in their normal
    cycle, we expect a slower summer selling season.

    Happy hunting!
    -Jaden

  • Real Estate Investor · Springfield, MA · Member since 2010 · 49 posts · 10 votes
    16y

    I have seen quite a few newer listings in my area whether Realtor or FSBO.

    With the tax credit expiring tomorrow, it will get VERY interesting...there was quite a bit of activity this week for people looking; the question is will they continue to look/buy after...or did they buy.

    Some regions in the state here have seen 5-6 months of steady increases (marginal, but increases nonetheless) after some decreases which strongly suggest a double-dip is now imminent. My guess is not in May after credit expiration, but the summer will see quite a slow one overall and maybe into the fall unless the tax credit/something similar is revived again (elections, anyone?)

    Plenty of shadow inventory; I know because I see it as is in my inspections...and already lost a few more places where the owners just up and moved out quickly. Whether or not they plan on backtracking and selling, filing BK, etc. remains to be seen, but they were definitely in a delinquency/struggle for quite some time!

    Lots more also with notices to foreclose from some months back still lagging. If they are vacant to begin with, lenders can just take their time on those.

    Oh and a ton, a TON of listings EASILY overpriced to assessed value...probably a good 15-20% of homeowners now in the Springfield metro area are maxed out/underwater (last year a study supposedly said 1 in 10...gotta be higher then that!)

    I thought 3-5 years minimum on all of this in my area...now I'm thinking more in the 5-7 year realm instead!

  • Real Estate Investor · the villages, FL · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    16y

    I decided to reply to my own thread with a new updated one, from different slant. Not good news, Rich.

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