What do I need to know before buying a property at a tax auction?

What do I need to know before buying a property at a tax auction?

Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes

I'm going to my first tax auction in Virginia in about 3 weeks and know nothing about tax sales. What due diligence should I do before I go? If I buy a property what should I expect afterwards? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Real Estate Agent/Investor · Peoria, AZ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
7y

I would suggest you not buy a property since it is apparent you don't really know what you're doing at this time. If you go to this auction, sit back, watch, and learn what everyone else is doing and get a better feel for how everything works. I cannot really comment on how your local tax auction works, but I'd go to local meetups and talk to other investors to see if anyone has experience with this or look online at your tax assessor's website to see if any information is posted about how tax auctions work where you live.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Southington, CT · Member since 2008 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    I would recommend seeing if there are any other liens assoicated with the property in addition to the tax lien that you may inherit when you purchase. 

  • Real Estate Agent/Investor · Peoria, AZ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    I would suggest you not buy a property since it is apparent you don't really know what you're doing at this time. If you go to this auction, sit back, watch, and learn what everyone else is doing and get a better feel for how everything works. I cannot really comment on how your local tax auction works, but I'd go to local meetups and talk to other investors to see if anyone has experience with this or look online at your tax assessor's website to see if any information is posted about how tax auctions work where you live.

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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    @Alphonso Clark The most important due diligence is to learn the laws in your state. Tax sale laws vary significantly by state.

    You may be able to look up state laws online. You shouldn't bid unless you  know how the law will affect your investment.  My guess is that the tax sale will wipe out any other liens against the property other than IRS liens. However to get insurable title you will have to do a "Quiet Title" action.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    7y

    Spend a few hundred bucks and sit down with a real estate astorney who deals with tax sales. 

    It will be the best money you ever spent. Ask around, maybe title co.s if you use them there. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ned Carey:

    @Alphonso Clark The most important due diligence is to learn the laws in your state. Tax sale laws vary significantly by state.

    You may be able to look up state laws online. You shouldn't bid unless you  know how the law will affect your investment.  My guess is that the tax sale will wipe out any other liens against the property other than IRS liens. However to get insurable title you will have to do a "Quiet Title" action.

     out our way IRS sunsets after 120 or 140 days something like that.. I love those deals.. 95% of investors wont bid on them because its scares them.. the other 4% don't know they are there then there is me the 1% who loves that situation LOL

    but yes laws are quite different nationwide.. to VASTLY different

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Michael Noto How would I go about doing that?  With Virginia being a tax deed state would they check that before they sell it? 

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Bob Okenwa Thanks for the cautionary advice but I'm here to ask and learn not sit on the sidelines and watch.  The tax auctions in the area only happen once maybe twice a year. I'm not a rookie investor just new to tax deals and as an investor I don't wanna reinvent the wheel but I don't wanna do what everyone else is doing either. I've gotten all the info I could off the tax assessors website but there's nothing about what really happens after the sale.

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Ned Carey thanks I'll check into that.

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y
  • Real Estate Agent/Investor · Peoria, AZ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Alphonso Clark

    As the saying goes, fools rush in and haste makes waste. Diving headfirst into something with you are unfamiliar with can be treacherous. Make sure you know your local laws and do as much due diligence as you can beforehand. Good luck.

  • Rocky Mount, NC · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    I suggest calling any telephone numbers associated with the auction and asking all the questions you would ask an experienced tax auctioneer until they can refer you to someone who can actually help you.  So you're probably only looking at around 30 phone calls and messages spread out over 10 hours when dealing with the government :).  Small potatoes to get the 10k plus in instant equity.

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 31 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    The first step is to read every bit of information that the county puts out regarding the sale. Pay careful attention to the registration procedure to make sure that you are not disqualified before you even show up. Make sure you bring the proper payment method in the time period noted by the county. Talk to LOCAL agents/investors/property managers who may have done these deals before. They can let you know what to watch out for that is specific to your area of interest.

    There is no such thing as doing too much due diligence in tax deeds.

    The non-governmental and non-HOA liens will be wiped out (HOA May get wiped in VA, I haven't looked into that state). Add up the remaining liens that may be on the title from the utilities, state taxes etc. and subtract that from your final bid. Don't worry about the IRS liens. 99% of the time they will sunset as Jay mentioned.

    I like to check if there are outstanding code violations. I also physically go to every property I might be interested in to gauge possible repair costs. 

    If you win and want to sell with marketable title, you will need an attorney to do a quiet title action as you will receive a limited warranty deed, not a warranty deed. If you want to keep it as a rental you don’t HAVE TO do it, but I still would.

    Bonus tip: Sign up with PACER to check if the homeowner is in bankruptcy. If so I would drop that property from my bid list. Getting tied up in court is no fun.

    After that it’s back to the basics of running your business how you see fit.

    Best of luck and let me know how it goes!

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @George Nyquist Thank YOU that's the type of information I was looking for. The auction is next week and I've read all the information provided by the auctioneer and I've registered for the auction.  I've also went out and taken a look at the properties I could get to some are just acres of land with no vehicle access others look pretty much abandoned and a about 4 look like they are currently lived in. 

    The main property I'm interested in is valued at $104,000 and has back taxes of $4000 its in a good neighborhood and looked like it had been recently moved out of. My next step for this property is a title search. Is there anything else I should do before hand? 

  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 31 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    The rest is just the basics based on your chosen exit strategy. A general rule of thumb is...

    Max bid = 60% of ARV, minus repair costs and outstanding liens (the ones that won't go away). Your mileage may vary depending on your market and the competition.

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @George Nyquist Thanks again

  • Real Estate Broker · Coppell, TX · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @Alphonso Clark    How did the auction go?   Buy anything?   What were the prices like?

  • Axton, VA · Member since 2013 · 31 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Bruce Lynn the auction went pretty well I did some networking and meet some really helpful investors. I didn't buy anything but I should've because the properties I had my eyes on those investors bought. The prices for a couple abandoned places went for around $3,400-$3,800 there was about 5 of those.  One place went for $36,000 that was in a $100,000 neighborhood and nothing sold for more than that. 44 acres of land went for $25,000 and 1 acre went for $500. I'll be going to another auction Thursday but its in another county and I have my eye on 3 potential places there that I may buy if the price is right.

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