Advice for wholesale/joint venture deal goin south

Advice for wholesale/joint venture deal goin south

Tim BergstromPro Member
Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2016 · 127 posts · 71 votes

Hey BP,

Hoping to hear some thoughts/advice from some folks who have more experience than I do in this area. Here’s the scenario:

I own a property in Memphis I originally bought as a flip. I sat on it for a bit and decided later that I may just wholesale it someone else to flip since I was looking to move my attention out of Memphis and into a couple other markets. An investor who I had developed a relationship with here in Nashville does a large portion of their deals in Memphis and knows the area well. I told this person about my property and after this investor went and saw it for themself we discussed a deal and came to an agreement. Originally we called it “Joint Venture” but I essentially wholesaled it to this investor as a no interest/no payment deal for 10 months while they rehabbed the property with a balloon payment for the full amount we agreed on at the end of the 10 months. We closed and I have a Deed of Trust on the property and the lien will be released once I’m paid in full. They are carrying insurance on the property with myself listed as the beneficiary for the full amount due in the event something catastrophic happened.

This investor is experience from everything we’ve talked about and this investor does dozens of deals every year. So they are not new to the space and no stranger to renovation.

The 10 months comes and goes. Due date was July 31. No payment. This investor is claiming that the bank they are using for the construction loan is only wanting to pay out for the construction draws once each work phase is complete (understandable/normal), but are not willing to pay for the property acquisition itself. When I pressed about this the investor made the claim that many banks are pulling back on lending on construction projects that are not owner occupied due to pandemic/economic reasons. I brought up the hard money option but have not gotten a response back addressing that.

So my question is what would you do this situation? Bring down the hammer and foreclose? Or try to dig out another solution? This investor has shown they have actively worked on getting the financing in order, but has definitely under performed/failed to meet the terms of our deal. I also view the reason of not getting proper financing at this point invalid since this investor had 10 months, 3-4 of which were before any Covid stuff was even on the radar.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts or advice.

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Investor · Marin County California · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
6y

Wow.  That fact does change things!  This guy is pulling your chain.  Foreclose without mercy.  

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  • Paradise, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
    6y

    i'd fire a salvo over the bow in the form of a notice of default. You dont' have to foreclose, to start a foreclosure but, it marks a line in the sand and gives you the option, while instilling into the investor a sense of urgency.

  • Investor · Marin County California · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    I agree with Ron S.  However, how close are they to having the property marketed for sale?  If close, I would include with my notice an offer to extend the loan for a couple of months at increased interest.

  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Tim Bergstrom

    I would do as above but likely a notice directly from your legal council 7-10 days prior indicating you’re looking forward to a finding win win solution within that time frame so you don’t have to officially start foreclosure proceedings. There’s always a continuum, Ned Flanders <————> tony Soprano. You can only move one direction on that continuum. Begin accordingly.

  • Tim BergstromPro Member
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    Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2016 · 127 posts · 71 votes
    6y

    @Ron S., @Darius Ogloza, @Account Closed, Thanks for the responses. Much appreciated. Definitely trying to tread as softly yet strongly as possible. I suppose I should have also mentioned that it doesn't seem that any renovation work has actually been done yet. So the property is in the same condition it was when we closed back in October (needs a full gut job). This investor has also suggested as an "options" in this scenario listing me as a "designer" for the renovation process and pay me bit by bit as work is completed, or extending the balloon another 6 months. I did discuss being a design advisor for this investor for the project prior to finalizing the deal, but that was not part of any payment contingency in our original deal and I don't like either of these options.

  • Investor · Marin County California · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    Wow.  That fact does change things!  This guy is pulling your chain.  Foreclose without mercy.  

  • Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2015 · 688 posts · 607 votes
    6y

    @Tim Bergstrom I wouldn't foreclose yet, but they are in default. For you as a lender, I would renegotiate the deal. Add in points, change the interest rate to higher, have them start making monthly payments and modify the promissory note. He in return doesn't get foreclosed on for the next couple of months

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Matthews, NC · Member since 2019 · 198 posts · 239 votes
    6y

    It's been 10 months with no renovation!  Something is definitely amiss.  I get antsy if I don't finish a full renovation in 3 months.  That is just irresponsible and taking advantage of you...but I can't figure out what the gain is for them or what his deal is.  As a flipper I can't imagine doing that to anyone.  I would send the notice to foreclose.

  • Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Darius Ogloza

    You did verify by actually viewing previous projects, correct? I mean, ... a fella like me has absolutely zero personal info online and I’ve deleted my account / changed the name probably 7 or 8 times in the last 5 years (this is the longest I’ve ever kept it) simply because I like having people know nothing at all about me but... it’s just as easy to pretend to be awesome,... likely easier in fact. I worked darn hard to remove personal info from google!

    Zero steps forward is a big difference in overall confidence that this will be completed. I would attempt to renegotiate essentially with the intention that the money you receive over the next month or two or three covers your legal costs to foreclose as I suspect that’s where you’re headed.

  • Investor · Tampa, FL · Member since 2010 · 263 posts · 159 votes
    6y

    Hi @Tim Bergstrom

    This guys behavior is not that of an experienced flipper. It is possible that (a) he is not as experienced as he led you to believe or (b) something dramatic has happened in his personal life to throw his business off balance (drugs/divorce/death etc). If it was me, I´d start taking steps to take back control of the property and either sell direct to a rehabber or get a general contractor and manage it yourself. You´re lucky that the market has appreciated considerably in the 10 months this has been in limbo. Get professional legal advice and try to take back control of your property, add whatever value you need to, get it sold and move onto the next thing. 

  • Paradise, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 871 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Devan Mcclish:

    @Tim Bergstrom I wouldn't foreclose yet, but they are in default. For you as a lender, I would renegotiate the deal. Add in points, change the interest rate to higher, have them start making monthly payments and modify the promissory note. He in return doesn't get foreclosed on for the next couple of months

    You cannot unilaterally add points or change rate unless that provision is already in the note. Even if its in the note, obligor has already defaulted on the terms of the note. Yeah, you can modify but i'd file the NOD first. you can always modify later but with a default notice over the debtor's head, you are in a much better position of strength.

  • Tim BergstromPro Member
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    Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2016 · 127 posts · 71 votes
    6y

    Thanks everyone for your responses. Much appreciated. Confirming many of the things I was already thinking. I've been going through my contacts tracking down a good foreclosure attorney in Memphis, but if anyone knows of anyone who would be good for this situation I'd love to get their contact info. Thanks again!

  • Tim BergstromPro Member
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    Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2016 · 127 posts · 71 votes
    6y

    Just a quick update here in the event anyone is interested. Got connected with a foreclosure attorney in Memphis who actually already knew of the investor before I even told him any details about my situation. Fortunate!


    We're currently in the foreclosure process now. Sale set for Oct 28. I just was curious as to what some of the other properties in the area have sold for recently and ending up finding that the investor has it listed FSBO for $50k more than what he owes me. And it's still in the same/unchanged uninhabitable condition it was when we closed.

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