Multi-Family Investment Purchase Investment Approach

Multi-Family Investment Purchase Investment Approach

Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 1 vote

Hi all - 

I am a new real estate investor looking to purchase my 1st investment property. I recently came across the following listing (https://www.trulia.com/p/nj/mo...) and wanted to get your initial thoughts / mindset on how you would potentially analyze this property as a potential investment.

From a high level perspective, these are the variable factors that I considered when crunching the numbers:

- Purchase Price: $500K

- 20% down / 30 year mortgage

~6% interest rate (conservative rate)

- ~$9,500 / year in property taxes 

- agent mentioned you could potentially collect a total of $4K / month in rent (one unit is currently being rented as month to month while the other is vacant), but let's use ~$3,800 to be conservative

- so ballpark estimate of my monthly mortgage will be ~$3,500 and if I'm conservatively estimating a total of ~$3,800 a month in rental income leaving me with a net ~$300 / month

- therefore my CAC for the year ($300 / month x 12 = $3,600 / initial cash outlay of ~$112K ($100K down + ~$12K in closing costs) = 2.5%

I know there are other things I didn't consider such as vacancy rate, maintenance, and whether I would use a property manager which would all drive the return even lower but a 2.5% return doesn't seem like a good investment.

Am I thinking about this the right way?

Regards,

Newbie investor

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  • Real Estate Agent · Keller, TX · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 7 votes
    4y

    Hey Joe,

    Congrats on the decision to start investing in Real Estate!  That is very exciting.  OK some things that you left out of your numbers that will make this deal not look so good.  I am just taking your word on the numbers, and haven't checked your math, but assuming your loan numbers are correct, you will be losing money every month.  You need to factor in Repairs and Maintenance, vacancy rate, capital ex(AC, Roof, Windows, flooring, etc), insurance, and property management fee(if you plan on using one).  With those items included in your numbers what does your return look like?  Maybe this house could work for an VRBO?  

  • Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 1 vote
    4y

    Hi @Benjamin Fritz Thanks for the input. I agree with you that if I include the repairs & maintenance, vacancy rate, capex, etc. that numbers will not work. I guess I'm just second guessing myself and trying to talk myself into it because it seems like every property I look at, the numbers never work (especially in the past several months with the real estate market), yet someone still buys the property at either asking or above asking price. So it makes me question myself, what are they seeing that I'm not seeing to make the investment work in their favor?

  • Realtor · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2021 · 25 posts · 49 votes
    4y

    The one thing I would ask is are you working with or have collaborated with someone who has experience in the asset class you want to invest in? My experience is many newbie investors try to jump in on their own and it's very frustrating and you waste a lot of time wondering, analyzing, and potentially investing in something that's not a good fit. Try to find a more experienced REI pro that can help on a personal level, not just on blog posts. Coaching is so beneficial and can really accelerate your growth as well as prevent many mistakes.

  • Investor · TX · Member since 2020 · 57 posts · 60 votes
    4y

    You will run into maintenance CAPEX issues for sure. I have been in vesting for 10+ years and that will cut into your profits unless you fix everything up front. 2.5% is way too low of a COC return. Things to consider when investing in Real Estate: 1) Think about investing in areas that have a low supply of doors for rent, grown jobs, growing, population, and is landlord friendly (I like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Carolinas, Arizona, etc...), 2) have a standard for your investments (mine is 7% COC, and a 2x your investment at 3-6 years (100k in 200k out). You can do this through single family investing (with a management co) as well as passively investing in CRE syndication.

  • Real Estate Agent · Keller, TX · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 7 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Joe L.:

    Hi @Benjamin Fritz Thanks for the input. I agree with you that if I include the repairs & maintenance, vacancy rate, capex, etc. that numbers will not work. I guess I'm just second guessing myself and trying to talk myself into it because it seems like every property I look at, the numbers never work (especially in the past several months with the real estate market), yet someone still buys the property at either asking or above asking price. So it makes me question myself, what are they seeing that I'm not seeing to make the investment work in their favor?


     Yep I agree on properties still being sold even when it doesn't appear to be a good option.  A lot of times you could be going up against 1031 money or someone who is house hacking if it is a multi family.  Try to meet up and find some wholesalers in your area, maybe they will have a deal that has more meat on the deal.  Good luck!

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    4y

    Why aren't you confirming the data you've been given instead of trusting others?

  • Mike D'ArrigoPro Member
    Turn key provider · San Jose, CA · Member since 2010 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    4y

    @Benjamin Fritz Based on the numbers that you've shared, I don't see any reason to consider it anything further. You're cash flow won't be anywhere close to $300/mth. You haven't take in to consideration insurance, property management, vacancy and maintenance. The other thing you don't know is who pays the water, gas and electricity. Even at $300/mth cash flow that is an extremely low return. I really recommend educating yourself a little more on how to analyze income properties. It will pay off in the long term. 

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