Follow up to "Am I Paying Too Much" ... Yes probably

Follow up to "Am I Paying Too Much" ... Yes probably

Real Estate Broker · Dallas · Member since 2013 · 116 posts · 10 votes

I posted a few days ago about a multi family unit I am purchasing (have a 20 day feasibility period, thankfully). I still don't know everything I need to know to make a decision, but I can subtract some details that I thought were great -- peeling back the layers of an onion usually makes you cry!

I thought I was paying $450K for 9 units, knew there were tenant problems and that most would probably have to be kicked out. Average rent in the area is around $1250 per month for town homes. I was planning on $1100 to $1150 after a rehab and repositioning. This property is a mixture of attached town homes and detached homes (all on an acre of land on "main street" in a historic area which is being revitalized). Newer townhomes immediately backing to the property, plus some other newer ones in the area. Not much else in multi family to speak of. Mostly quaint shops, medical and office buildings down "main street".

Here's what I know now after a few days of phone calls and research....

Only 8 units (the 9th one is gone -- fire, explosion, etc...)

Price now $400K (better because one less unit, but still $50k per unit)

Only one tenant is salvageable and I don't know the details of the rent yet (all the remaining tenants are being relocated by seller prior to possession -- this one lease is up in April)

Property is owned by a non profit and is used for housing for people needing a little help (so no income to speak of)

No expenses to speak of (at least for current owner because they are tax exempt and volunteers provide services for repairs when needed)

Electric is not divided (don't know total yet but I would spend the money to separate and have tenants pay)

Property was built in the 50's and remodeled in the 90s (I still haven't seen the inside of the units, but are housing mostly elderly couples that have been there for at least 10 years -- agent says I will be pleasantly surprised -- walking through on Tuesday with my general contractor friend)

Advertised total square footage was pulled from tax records stating about 10,500 sq. ft for living space (so around 1300 per unit... I was actually thinking 1200 on average)..... bad news is that the tax records appear to have some duplicates, and still includes the 9th unit that no longer exists). I think the real square footage is around 7700 (so average 950 per unit -- give or take a little). I can't get $1100 per month for 950 sq. ft -- more like $850 per month -- so there went some of my income.

Agents says there is a mixture of 1, 2 and 3 bedroom. I will know on Tuesday how many of each. I can't imagine a 3 bedroom in 950 sq. ft (I would probably knock out a wall and make a bigger master, if possible)

Possible grants from the city for rehab on the exterior because it is in "old town" on "main street" -- they should have an interest in collecting taxes from a new owner after almost 20 years of an exempt status. I will need to put together a design plan if I decide to do the exterior.

There are 5 attached units (drive up town homes) and 3 stand alone homes

So to recap... no rent, no expenses (except by using the 50% rule), 8 units, decent condition on the outside, $400K purchase price, good area, within a block from brand new transit rail center

Seller probably will not reduce the price from $400K... there has been too much interest.

Oh... and finally "as is, where is" with no property condition report.

How would you approach due diligence on this? Or is it too crazy?

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Commercial Real Estate Lender / Syndicator · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 888 posts · 309 votes
12y

I know exactly where this is now. That whole area by the tracks smells like peanuts at night. I used to own a used car dealership west of this property, closer to the shops you mentioned.

You mentioned grants. You might want to check with the city to see if they will actually give you grants or tax abatement if you rehab. This usually requires the creation of new jobs. If no one has changed the zoning on that property yet, you have the option to rezone it to Mixed Use 2 from MF1 per the master plan. No real advantage except maybe more permissible uses and smaller setbacks.

The adjacent townhomes are a completely different product. As others have said, you need to get a better handle on rents and expenses. I've been in one of the single family units there. A group from my church relocated an elderly lady from a broken down mobile home. The place wasn't bad at all. I think it was one of the 2 bedrooms.

I saw you were asking about rehab in another post. I can refer a GC. PM me if you're interested or have any specific questions about the area.

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    12y

    Congratulations ! Hopefully works out for the best. I thought we were ambitious in a old 6 unit property deal in June but this one sounds like a little more of a challenge.

    The location within a block of brand new transit center may have some long term benefit in both appreciation and rentability. In any case for due diligence you need to figure out both your rents and your rehab costs as well as whether you can rent anything immediately without rehab to offset any carrying costs during repair. You probably also need to get some specialty trades out besides the contractor. Definitely the electric get a hard estimate and anything else that looks like a specialty undertaking. You might ask your contractor for a first pass and then say if on structural he sees something get a specialist. These estimates will get your all in number to determine if it makes sense.

  • Investor · Vincennes, IN · Member since 2013 · 223 posts · 108 votes
    12y

    Adding to what Colleen was saying, you need to have a better idea what the rehab is going to cost and how long it will take to move out the existing tenant base and reposition it with the new tenant base. Add that on to your purchase price to determine your true cost. You also need a better idea of what your proposed rents should be for each individual unit.

    Will the proposed rents cover the expenses and debt service to give you the return you want? Drill down the numbers and you can make a more informed decision.

    Much success.

  • Minooka, IL · Member since 2013 · 353 posts · 85 votes
    12y

    I agree with the above, perhaps I missed it but you should figure out what surrounding rents and figure out what yours could be. 50k a unit in one area could be great or bad. Due the numbers and they won't lie to you. Sounds like you're on the right path.

  • Commercial Real Estate Lender / Syndicator · Dallas, TX · Member since 2011 · 888 posts · 309 votes
    12y

    I know exactly where this is now. That whole area by the tracks smells like peanuts at night. I used to own a used car dealership west of this property, closer to the shops you mentioned.

    You mentioned grants. You might want to check with the city to see if they will actually give you grants or tax abatement if you rehab. This usually requires the creation of new jobs. If no one has changed the zoning on that property yet, you have the option to rezone it to Mixed Use 2 from MF1 per the master plan. No real advantage except maybe more permissible uses and smaller setbacks.

    The adjacent townhomes are a completely different product. As others have said, you need to get a better handle on rents and expenses. I've been in one of the single family units there. A group from my church relocated an elderly lady from a broken down mobile home. The place wasn't bad at all. I think it was one of the 2 bedrooms.

    I saw you were asking about rehab in another post. I can refer a GC. PM me if you're interested or have any specific questions about the area.

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    12y

    Carlos good to see ya back! Cash flow expected to price is great, runs off 8 units. Follow up with Carlos, it's great when posters who know an area can connect to help others like that!

    Check out the area and market.

    I'd think the other units should be pretty decent at that price, but income wise, that's a good project. Good luck. :)

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