I have 200k to invest

I have 200k to invest

Avondale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 65 posts · 8 votes
Hello everyone my first post here! I have been doing a lot of research on real estate investing reading books, podcasts and of course bigger pockets! multi family properties is something I want to focus on. I have made a nice amount of money in music production and currently have 200k just sitting in my bank account ready to be worked. I live in the suburbs of Southern California but as most of you know it's one of the most expensive states in the country. Investing out of state is very enticing since it is way cheaper to find a fourplex for half the price I would find here in California. I don't plan on using all my money on one property. But I'd like to know how I can use my 200k to get 2 fourplexes or 1 fourplex and 1 duplex. Could I just put 2 down payments and let the units pay them selves out? Are there any investors out there that can give me any advice on how to go about this and any cities/areas you recommend I look into? Thanks a lot!!
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Fairfield, CA · Member since 2017 · 98 posts · 84 votes
9y

@Kenny Oliver BRRRR. In fact, I can show you how to buy 100 fourplexes with 200k cash with BRRR. Here it is. Buy a fourplex cash. Renovate the fourplex. Rent out the fourplex. Refinance the fourplex. Repeat times 100. Done.

Of course. Nothing is that simple, but that's the strategy. Let's talk a little about the different phases. Buy: Here is the rule of thumb; buy a property at 70% ARV (After repair value). This can be done several ways. Occasionally, you may find MLS properties (or other retail websites) listed at 70% ARV, though they are generally listed higher and you need to negotiate the price down. Other sources could be pocket listings, wholesalers, REOs, etc. Too many to list. Now the 70% ARV rule of thumb is just a number to get you in the door, if it's close to that start looking deeper. Figure out the actual costs to repair and see if it matches your 70% ARV figure. Also, you need to be able to figure out what the ARV is. Make friends with some realtors and ask for a BPO (broker price opinion), use zillow, and even better, go to realtor.com and click Sold, then look for duplicate properties in the same area, same sq ft, etc, that recently sold. This is really the most important phase. There is an old saying "You make money when you buy, not when you sell." Way more can be said about this phase... but this is the jist of it.

Repair: Make repairs that lowers your maintenance costs and raises rents.

Rent: So again, here is a rule of thumb, and you should be looking at this rule of thumb during the buy phase. Rule of thumb: Rent should be at least 1% per month of purchase price. But here we need to modify it a bit: Rent should be at least 1% of planned refinanced amount. If you are planning to refinance at 80% LTV then that amount is 80% of ARV. Also this is just a rule of thumb to get ya in the door. You should carefully examine the numbers for cash flow. Numbers to include: management fees, Cap Ex, repairs, debt service. Does it have laundry machines? Is owner paying water customary in the area? Tax rate in the area (this can be wildly different in some states, counties, and cities)?

Refinance: So consider your cash flow before going too high on LTV, but remember after you refinance and buy another property with the capital, you can use that property's rent money to help cover the previous property's debt service too. The idea here is to pull out what you put in, recovering your capital. The reason why this is even possible is the value added by the renovations. Also, consider seasoning requirements. Most banks make you wait 6 months to refinance, though I hear there are banks who are investor friendly that can wave this requirement.

Repeat.

It seems complicated and honestly we could talk for hours about each one of these subjects, but the concept is really quite simple. Here's an example to give you an idea of how it works.

Buy a property at 100k that the ARV is 250k. Make 100k in repairs. Rent it out. After repair rent is 2k/mo. That's 1% of the 200k loan. Refinance at 80% LTV, 200k loan on 250k value property. Now you have your money back and can do it again.

There are deals out there better than this one, but there are far, far more that are worse than this one. Just run your numbers and find an investment that works for your goals.

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  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Kenny Oliver:

    Hi Tom Ott what markets do you recommend?

    I was looking at Las Vegas, Kansas City, or Tucson/Phoenix areas.

    I am mostly leaning to multi families but flips and buy and holds are something I'm considering only because there isn't much multifamilies out here in my area. Thanks for responding!

     I mainly operate in the Cleveland market. I cannot speak for too much outside of the Midwest. Feel free to send me a message if you want to talk about that.

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
    9y

    @Kenny Oliver Of the 3 markets you mentioned, I think only Kansas City as a market where you can still do well with a relatively passive out of state rental.  

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 263 posts · 186 votes
    9y

    Here are a few things to consider before investing out of state.

    A. Pricing real estate benefits knowledgeable and experienced investors -- and therefore works against people without that knowledge or experience.  Work with someone who has extensive experience in the market you are looking to invest. 

    B. Liquidity can be unreliable. Individual real estate properties aren't as liquid as publicly traded investments such as stocks and bonds. In private markets, it can take months or even years to get out of some real estate investments.  I believe the old adage, don't put your all your eggs in one basket applies.

    C. Cash flow can work both ways.  Consider taxes and maintenance costs to be paid. You need to compare rental levels and occupancy rates with the ongoing costs of the property to get a sense of what the net cash flow will be.  Work with an experienced operator who can show you how to evaluate the types of properties you are looking to purchase and as said before, look at a lot of properties to really understand the investment.

    Good luck in your search! RC

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    Rental Property Investor · Prairie Village, KS · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Hi @Kenny Oliver,

    I'm currently using short-term private money and paying a lot for it. 11% interest and 3 points plus a lot of fees. If I borrow the money for 1 year then I'll pay nearly 30k in addition to return the principal, what I'm borrowing is less than what you've got sitting in your bank. I can tell you the crowd funding source I'm using for it (PM me). If you can find folks you trust and build relationships with them then you could be the one loaning the money at those rates and never have the liability of a property, have no tenets, etc. This is not passive income because you have to make sure you vet the deals you're investing in, but it's close. There are also a lot of crowd funding platforms that I have looked into and heard good things about but I'm not an accredited investor. I've also got a friend who gets good returns investing with a group that rehabs apartments. PM me if you'd like me to share names! 

    Also, in your area, Rialto is going to blow up. You could do new construction there or rehab existing places. I can give you more info if you're interested. 

  • Wholesaler · Lansing, KS · Member since 2015 · 92 posts · 13 votes
    9y
    Kenny Oliver I can help you with the KC market. I am an investor agent for the last 12 years. I own a real estate team, property management company. I do flips, buy hold, wholesale and more. The area you are looking in is not the area I invest in, so I would not be competition for you. Let me know if I can help!
  • Mobile, AL · Member since 2014 · 80 posts · 13 votes
    9y

    Mr. Oliver: As you probably know or have discovered, long distance investing can be risky. If you do not intend to personally manage those investments, finding a good reliable manager or management firm is tantamount. Mr. Dooley advises correctly. The best place to look for commercial investments is LoopNet. (www.loopnet.com)

    I would suggest investment in a tourist location which is part of why I move from Texas to Kalispell, Montana. The tourism between the Yellowstone National Park to Glacier National Park has tourism in the millions of visitors each year making the Kalispell area ripe for investment. Montana is a rich retirement area for the people who love winter activities and hunting and the property values here continue to rise.

    Cecil Lee Russell

    CLeeR Enterprises

    Hungry Horse, Montana

  • Investor · New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 105 posts · 118 votes
    9y
    Kenny Oliver the first thing you do with $200k is not advertise that you have that much liquidity on a public site like BP. That is an invitation for every unscrupulous character to reach out to you with the opportunity of a lifetime.
  • Avondale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 65 posts · 8 votes
    9y
    Ruben Guerrero that's true gotta be smarter
  • Realtor · Boonsboro, MD · Member since 2017 · 26 posts · 8 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    Kenny Oliver the first thing you do with $200k is not advertise that you have that much liquidity on a public site like BP. That is an invitation for every unscrupulous character to reach out to you with the opportunity of a lifetime.

     Amen. I bet his inbox blew up!

  • Contractor · Lakeland, FL · Member since 2016 · 21 posts · 11 votes
    9y
    I'm living in the other sunshine state, here in Florida, looking to do my first commercial/multi-family deal this year. I've read book after book, but there's only so much to learn on paper. I'd be really interested to see how your journey goes and what direction decide. I'm thinking of waiting until I can find maybe a 6-unit with only moderate deferred maintenance, tackle improving that, and go from there. Luckily, from what I can gather, I live in a decent market to invest. The idea of investing out of state is pretty intimidating. Best of luck to you. PM me if you want discuss the journey, newbie to newbie
  • Avondale, AZ · Member since 2017 · 65 posts · 8 votes
    9y
    Adam Walter it did actually lol
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    Rental Property Investor · St Augustine, FL · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Kenny Oliver

    Hi Kenny

    The first thing you need to do is focus on the market.  Then you can decide what size property to focus on.  The larger the property, the better it would be due to economies of scale.

    Gino

  • Multifamily Acquisition · Des Moines, IA · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    Do you want a conservative investment or one that you are willing to add some level of risk. Im in Iowa and its one of the most stable conservative places to invest. Low cost to entry compared to Cali for sure. Steady income/ROI. Steady job growth. Stable political environment. But doesnt have the appreciation factor that exists elsewhere. You could invest in your own backyard but most likely wouldnt have much of any cash flow. However Cali markets are still appreciating quite nicely. Yet we are coming due for some sort of market correction. My guess in a couple years or so. What can you stomach?

  • Real Estate Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    You can invest as Passive investor with Deal sponsor or become a co-deal sponsor and double your money in 2 to 4 years 

    I can help you.

  • Real Estate Investor · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    by the way I'm from Dallas Fortworth..And you may be knowing that this city is growing and there is huge demand for housing .

    Please connect with me, I am sure We can work together.

  • Property Manager · Orlando, FL · Member since 2016 · 479 posts · 277 votes
    9y
    Kenny Oliver biggest thing you have to decide on is what submarket you want to get into. A good deal in a bad area can turn into a bad deal in a few years if people are leaving, job growth is stagnant, or rent growth can't support the median income, etc. On the flip side a great area with an okay deal can improve because rents continue to increase rapidly, occupancy stays low because there are always people looking to rent, etc. Obviously you want to find a great deal in a strong area, but the most important thing about real estate is location because that will never change. Why a lot of people like to pick areas close to them is because they probably know a great deal more about it than any numbers you can search online, or it is very easy for them to become intimately knowledgeable. Nothing wrong with out of state if you take your time and do you're proper due diligence, it's just not always easy for someone who doesn't do real estate full time.
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