Assessing Sale Price on a Multi Family Apartment Complex

Assessing Sale Price on a Multi Family Apartment Complex

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I am a new real estate agent selling a Multi Family Apartment Complex for my first client. I am working with a broker as mentor, and trying to get some opinions.

The seller, my client, thinks it is worth about $300k more than my mentor/broker thinks it is worth.

My client is making his calculation based on previous year's Expenses. This makes the selling price $300k higher than the numbers you would get from calculating the price based on a potential buyer's expenses. Mainly because you are calculating using a Property Tax based on the last price.

My client argues that it is reasonable to use current expenses to calculate the price, because you are supposed to create a selling price that is the most attractive for the seller (higher price). Broker/my mentor is suggesting to be realistic, and present a price that reflects what the new buyers' expenses would be.

Is it more of a standard practice to calculate the price based on current owner's expenses, or future owner's expenses? Will the potential buyer ask to see the numbers and ask for verification (thus making it difficult to prove the numbers for a future owner)? That's one of the concerns of my client.

This is tough situation because this is my first deal. I don't want the listing to go stale if the price is what my client wants it to be, and is too high. At the same time, I somewhat agree with my client that their price is not too high based on current market conditions.

Thank you so much in advance.

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Burlington, VT · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 23 votes
8y

How many units is it?

I think it is acceptable to use actual expenses to calculate NOI. However, your client should expect an experienced investor to make their own calculations in order to present their offer. Also, a good rule of thumb for expenses is 50% of rental income. Any lower can be suspect, much higher indicates opportunity to improve NOI via value add.

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  • Burlington, VT · Member since 2017 · 48 posts · 23 votes
    8y

    How many units is it?

    I think it is acceptable to use actual expenses to calculate NOI. However, your client should expect an experienced investor to make their own calculations in order to present their offer. Also, a good rule of thumb for expenses is 50% of rental income. Any lower can be suspect, much higher indicates opportunity to improve NOI via value add.

  • Member since 2018 · 162 posts · 73 votes
    8y

    I'm new so take it for what it's worth.

    Sellers typically use pro forma numbers, which are usually BS. However, the buyer is responsible for verifying info. Seller will likely request info on income/expenses/rent roll.

    Prices are usually based on CAP rates (specific to local market).

    Value = Net Operating Income / Capitalization Rate

    edit: This applies to 5 units and above....1-4 units is more based on comps.

  • Real Estate Broker · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2014 · 159 posts · 108 votes
    8y

    @Elaine Lau  I would provide both "actuals" as well as your "Pro forma" numbers.  Normally I see price based on the pro forma numbers, or it is listed unpriced.  I think it is reasonable to include fixed, predictable expenses, like taxes, in your proforma, but numbers like utilities and R&M are best estimated using historicals.

    At the end of the day, the buyer will do their own underwriting and come up with a number that works for them.  The best thing you can do is provide more information than less.

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    8y

    @John-David Herlihy it is 15 units.

    Thanks everyone for the replies! Super helpful. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Vancouver, British Columbia · Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 18 votes
    8y

    @Elaine Lau, as an investor, i've got my own internal underwriting. I know that the pro-forma is an advertisement with some optimism sprinkled in but without it, i'd never know it exists. In my opinion, the numbers that are presented should be reasonable enough. I don't want numbers that are listed just so they'll pass my filter and then find out that the numbers are completely out of line. Having said that, I should also know enough about the market i'm investing in, that i'd be able to recognize that the numbers justify a further look. And if there are any things that immediately stand out, i'd probably ask about them before i went any further. As @Andrew Beauchemin mentioned in his post, the availability of that information will definitely make things move more quickly.

  • Aurora, CO · Member since 2016 · 158 posts · 118 votes
    8y

    I guess my question would be what expense is pushing the difference of $300k between your seller and your mentor? Is it just taxes? Is your seller basing his price only off of a cap rate for the building? If so what is that cap rate that is agreed between Seller and mentor? 

    At 8% Cap, 100k per unit asking price you are looking at a difference of 120k NOI vs 150k NOI. Are property taxes going to go up 30k a year due to this sale?

    This is probably me being a beginner but it seems like the math isn't working out 100% and something else is missing in this equation. But of course I could be wrong.

    But back to your question on what to do, why not use actual expenses minus sales tax, and put the future expected sales tax if the property is sold as list price and base your price off that? In the end you should do what the seller wants to do. It is his money and his business, present your case for a lower price but in the end put it up to him.

  • Bjorn AhlbladPro Member
    Investor · Shelton, WA · Member since 2017 · 6k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    I appreciate you being squeezed between seller and mentor. It is just a listing don’t get hung up on accuracy! ;<)

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