Putting together my first commercial deal

Putting together my first commercial deal

Portland, OR · Member since 2012 · 3 posts · 3 votes

Hey BP community!

On my never ending quest for more wealth I have been led here, to apartment real estate investing. So much wealth in the world created by real estate through the power of leverage and scale, I had to take notice.

I'm trying to put together a plan for myself to make this happen and could use some input from all you experienced gurus.

I live in Beaverton, OR, a suburb outside Portland. I intend on making this investment in the Portland metro area, I expect it will not be the easiest to find lofty cap rates here and finding deals will be competitive but its my home and I think it will be vital for me being new to this to be able to be very hands on at the property when needed to ensure its success. I have about 100k of my own i can put towards it and I have a strong income so if it takes some time to get a deal together that number will only increase, i would expect i could have 150k-200k by the time I've actually got everything together to make a deal happen.

So I am aiming for a 16+ unit complex minimum, from what I've read, i should be trying to go as big as I possibly can to take advantage of scale, no brainer. I am not the most handy person, but i recognize the value in buying a property that could use some fix ups. So I think I want to be focusing on Class B properties, the returns of Class A don't quite do it for me but I don't want to get in over my head, I expect any reno that needs to be done i would be heavily reliant on a GC. I've seen on loopnet B class properties in the 6-7% cap rate range. Since I'm going to be trying to go as big as I can, I expect I will be trying to get funding from friends+family for a down payment, I am thinking I should structure this as an equity split of some form, I intend on bringing them in as limited partners so I have full control.

So here's my plan...

1) Start talking to banks to begin relationships and figure out what they can offer, how much down payment they will want and what kind of interest rates i can expect. In addition anything else they will require to make a loan.

2)Put together a sample package for investors, something detailed and clear, to show friends/family which I intend to try and get to invest in me, i figure they are my best bet because I have no track record in real estate, though financially I am pretty strong so I'm hoping my general financial success will give them faith enough to get involved. Once this is done I'll have an idea of my downpayment and thus what size of property I can afford.

3) Start reaching out to commercial agents from loopnet listings, give them some feedback related to what I'm looking for and their listing, hopefully getting into a position where they will send me deals before they list them. I've read that starting a relationship and providing them frequent responses will ensure they send me what they have as it comes available.

4)Once I provide an agent an informal offer that seems like its getting some real traction and the deal is starting to come together, I'll put something together for the deal specifics and get my partners and bank on board. Start getting a real estate attorney involved and finding a professional property management co.

5)Hopefully deal goes through, yay! Start any rehab projects identified asap, focus on ensuring the property is working well in the initial months and eventually scale back involvement.

6)Raise rents and ideally sell with a nice profit in 5-8 years.

So that's a very basic outline of what I have bouncing around in my head.

See any huge red flags? I'm trying to ensure I am on the right track from the on-set.

What kind of returns should I be expecting? Right now I'm aiming for cash flow positive and total ROI of ~15-20%, is this realistic for the cap rates/market I'm in, I believe the vacancy rate in most markets in the metro are is around 5%.

Since I think the vacancy rates are around 5% should i model those? I often see 10% used, should i just use that instead when coming up with my offer to be safe?

How much equity should I expect if I am doing all the work with the deal/property? I expect my investors to be silent.

I plan to focus my search near mass transit and new developments. For now I had intended to focus on the Milwaukie area where there was a light rail line added ~3 years ago, though I expect I'd be looking in a few areas after i research more. Any advice on how I should be identifying good areas for investment beyond this?

I came across Michael Blanks syndicated deal analyzer, it seemed like a perfect fit for what I am looking to put together, seems to be well received, does this seem like a good purchase to me? the cost isn't significant to me and it seems like it could be a big help.

What is a good approach to finding a quality property management co and real estate attorney? This is pretty general question and I'm sure ill be researching it heavily but thought I'd throw it in while I'm here.

Any general advice? Smart moves I can make to avoid common novice mistakes?

Thanks in advance for any advice you can provide.

Ryan

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Attorney · Wilsonville, OR · Member since 2017 · 504 posts · 411 votes
8y

Don't look for other peoples validation to execute your plan. Do your homework, create a team, create a plan, and just start executing it one brick at a time. Don't ask us if your plan is good or not or for validation or not. It's your life, your money, your decision. You seem ambitious and focused, and put thought into your plan, Execute it and learn what worked and what did not. Observe, execute, adjust and repeat. 

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  • Investor/Accountant/Builder · Meno, OK · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 918 votes
    8y

    I don't tell people to go big or go home.  I would start with a duplex or a quad. I like your plans but pretty aggressive.  but what do I know.

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 182 posts · 115 votes
    8y
    Not sure I can give you any more info pal- you have it all figured out! Great job putting a plan together now go execute
  • Attorney · Wilsonville, OR · Member since 2017 · 504 posts · 411 votes
    8y

    Don't look for other peoples validation to execute your plan. Do your homework, create a team, create a plan, and just start executing it one brick at a time. Don't ask us if your plan is good or not or for validation or not. It's your life, your money, your decision. You seem ambitious and focused, and put thought into your plan, Execute it and learn what worked and what did not. Observe, execute, adjust and repeat. 

  • Investor · Alameda, CA · Member since 2016 · 132 posts · 170 votes
    8y

    @Ryan Picco - i agree with the advice from @Brian Bradley.

    The plan you drafted up there is significantly more thought-out than most. Kudos! 

    The only other advice i'll add relates to the timeless wisdom of Mike Tyson: "everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

    Now that you've got a great plan, you'll want to  insulate yourself from unnecessary risk - both in terms of expertise and finances. Experience can be borrowed, and it sounds like you're already planning on building relationships with property managers and bankers. A key role you didn't mention on your team was a Broker.  It's likely that most of the multifamily pocket deals are only accessible via brokers in your area, so that would be an important addition to your team to round out the expertise.

    re: deal analysis - 100% agree on Michael Blank's SDA. It's the best out there. 


    Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    8y

    @Ryan Picco When analyzing potential purchases you'd want to stay conservative, especially when it comes dealing with investors. That being said, if a vacancy rate in your area is 5%, then bump it up to maybe 10% initially and then gradually let it come down over the years. The same would apply to other items. If let's say a property would require renovations, always add a cushion to it. Bottom line, stay as conservative as possible!

    Best of luck!

  • Portland, OR · Member since 2012 · 3 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    @Arlan Potter Thanks Arlan, this was my original plan, letting me learn more on a smaller scale, however I have found that given how these properties are valued compared to commercial properties, there just doesn't seem to be room for profit, at least not in my market which is fairly expensive. So that led me to commercial.

    @Account Closed Thanks Alina, makes sense to me, better to be conservative and let some deals fall through than have no cushion and end up in a bad investment.

    Thanks all for the advice, I feel like I am on the right track!

    -Ryan  

  • Rental Property Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2018 · 133 posts · 171 votes
    8y

    Hi Ryan, can I ask why you decided on 16+ unit versus a smaller deal?  I understand the economies of scale with larger deals, but it seems the learning curve to larger deals vs starting out small (like 1-4 units), would be a faster path to a closed deal and you may not even need to bring on investors?

    I guess I am asking because I might be in a similar spot you are in, I have six figures to invest and will have more depending on the time frame, but I don't know if I should continue investing in 1-4 units or try for something bigger.  I'll be honest I don't like the idea of bringing in investors on my deals, although I am looking at the possibility of doing partnerships in the future with one other partner/investor. 

    I do like your plan though, especially putting together a sample package for investors.  Do you have a template you are using for the sample package or do you have any ideas on what you will include (i.e. bio, experience, sample deal, etc)?

  • Portland, OR · Member since 2012 · 3 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed Hey Jon, there we a few reasons I decided on trying for a decently sized complex first. The main one was my market is expensive, so much so that the duplex/fourplex properties seem to demand prices that just don't make them profitable, housing demand driving them up, where as the commercial apartments are valued off their financials so I think I can make the numbers work. 

    There's some lesser reasons as well, if i have a problem with 1 tenant it won't hurt me as much, having to go through some hoops with brokers to get the real deals is actually a plus to me because I see it as a small barrier to competition which doesn't exist in smaller residential, bringing on investors does seem to be an extra complication but I think to be successful in this game I am going to have to learn to bring investors in, maybe not for the first deal, but I have ambitions beyond just 1 complex and think it will be good practice to convince others to bet on me (even if it is just friends and family for now).

    I don't have a template for my package though my rough draft in my head will be something like an analysis of a properties financials of any property really, one something like what i will be looking for, my plan for the property, what kind of returns investors can expect, equity they will get (currently i plan on offering friends/family an equity share), exit strategy, essentially creating a document describing why the property will be a good investment even if I just fake the numbers to illustrate a deal I hope to find. I'm sure I'll be doing some googling of sample packages I can find to make sure I'm covering all my bases.

    Ultimately to me it seems to me, the more money I can get from investors the better return I can get for my work of making the deal happen and making sure its run well, but I of course still haven't done a deal, so who knows how much my perceptions will change as I go through the process.

  • Investor · Alameda, CA · Member since 2016 · 132 posts · 170 votes
    8y

    @Ryan Picco - i meant to ask before: is going to be your first investment property, in general? read back through the post and I might have missed it if you mentioned it, or not


    the reason I ask is because I think that it can be important, more than anything, to simply "get on base" with your first investment property. So much of the REI game is about mindset, goal setting, focus and self-motivation. I absolutely respect your goal of going 16+ units on your first (if this is your first)... but as @Account Closed pointed out, the learning curve on actual experience can be more reasonable if you go for fewer units.

    We closed on a duplex for our first investment property and am so thankful that we did. If you intend to run your passive investments like a business, it gives you something real to build scale-able systems around. Additionally (and maybe, most importantly) you learn a lot about yourself in the process: how you'll react to hurdles, how you're fit the REI work into your day, how you want to build relationships in your network, etc.


    Now, that said... if you're ready to rock and take down a 16+ unit plus, don't let us slow you down. Go crush it!

  • Rental Property Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2018 · 133 posts · 171 votes
    8y

    @Ryan Picco Hey Ryan, that is certainly understandable I am in California so I know all too well the 1-4 market here is pretty insane.  I haven't looked too much lately but for awhile it seemed everything I looked at online was a 5 cap at most.  Some stuff it seems even if you put 30% or 35% down it still wouldn't even cash flow but yet prices still keep going up up up. 

    Well it seems you have a good strategy in place and know where you want to go.  Since I had been toying with the idea myself of going for a MFH property next it's good to see other people with a similar mindset!

  • New Iberia, LA · Member since 2017 · 133 posts · 89 votes
    8y

    @Ryan Picco I say great plan! Although not written down it is much like what has been bouncing around in my head. When I talk about what I want to do I get some of the same reaction about starting smaller and learning that way but to me, it's about scale. I want to focus on the obstacles that are in the way of my goal and that goal is much like yours :)

  • Attorney · Wilsonville, OR · Member since 2017 · 504 posts · 411 votes
    8y

    What’s your WHY? This will be important in getting your first deal and many more together. It will help guide you. 

    This concept is so dynamic even for real estate investors. Where do you start? The starting point of anything you do in life or business is starting with why. Why do we do what we do? Why are we doing this? Why am I starting this business? You do not invest in real estate for profit; you do not start a business for profit. Profit is just the result. WHY you do this, why do you or your business exist?

    For example, as an investor, I invest in real estate not for the profit, but because I want to generate enough passive income to spend time with my daughters, so that my wife does not need to work 12 hour night shifts, and to leave a legacy for my girls and my future grandchildren. The profit is just the result of my driving why.

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    By establishing my personal and professional WHY I have created an overall structure that is easy for me to follow and analyzing what I am doing and how it fits into my Why. Check out Simon Sinek’s video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZoJKF_VuA

    The same principle goes with Robert Kiyosak’s books. You must alter and change your mindset to actually see. You must change you and make profound decisions to be can investor. This starts with establishing your Why and deciding which side of the cash flow quadrant you want to be one, the left side as a employee or self employed individual still in the rat race, or the right side as an investor and business owner with systemic passive cash flow. How does this tie into Asset Protection? Once you open your eyes and try to move from the left to the right side of the quadrant, you then want to protect what you have. 

  • Investor · Charlotte, NC · Member since 2017 · 791 posts · 479 votes
    8y

    @Ryan Picco Seems like your off to a great start by your post! How has is been going? If I can be of any help please reach out. 

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