Give me your thoughts on a multifamily deal...

Give me your thoughts on a multifamily deal...

Rental Property Investor · Santa Rosa Beach, FL · Member since 2018 · 182 posts · 63 votes

Hey BP,

I’m looking at buying my first multifamily property and wanted to get all of your thoughts on a few of the facets on one particular deal.

It is a n out-of-state combo deal with two duplexes . I have boots on the ground that got a walk through of the buildings and gave me their assessment...

Both properties are fully occupied and renting at the market except for one apartment which could come up some. They are in  aC-D neighborhood but have long-term renters. I think one has been there for over 20yrs! The PM I had do the walk through said each of the tenants had their places neat and orderly and seemed to be model tenants. However, I’m sure part of that was the notice that there would in fact be a walk through in conjunction with my suspicion they’d rather take their chances with the next owner than the current so their on their best behavior, so to speak.

The current owner has deferred maintenance for quite a long time to the point that there are probably some major violations. The roof is in dire need of replacement as well as the windows and all mechanicals. Nothing cosmetic has been done.... ever? Chipping paint, plastic light fixtures, etc. Both buildings need complete rehabs.

So, here are the things I'm wondering... Are money pits a good deal if they're cash flowing and you can find the right selling price? Currently the wholesaler is asking far more than they're worth to me, but the rents being at market and already occupied is attractive. Being occupied also means that I could structure and plan rehab piece by piece rather than all at once. That also means that I couldn't do a quick BRRRR.

If I can negotiate a more appropriate price, what are some methods by which to finance this deal? The wholesaler will want to make it quick; cash, HML, private money. Would a HML care for a transaction such as this?

Simply put, can you pull off a BRRRR when one of the Rs is out of order?

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  • Rental Property Investor · Santa Rosa Beach, FL · Member since 2018 · 182 posts · 63 votes
    7y

    If I did choose to purchase this package deal, what are some methods to finance it? 

  • Rental Property Investor · Glen Rock, NJ · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Aaron Hale

    Without knowing all of the facts and numbers, I'll give you my general opinion. -C to D areas are labor intense. It takes an experienced person to run a property in such labor-intense neighborhoods. So it entails that either you're there almost 24x7 or you completely trust your "boots on the ground" (aka property manager). As you said it yourself with this amount of deferred maintenance, these properties could be a money pit. So if you need to weight the pro's and con's and also determine how much are you putting in up front (including the HML money) to see if it works.

    In terms of HML may care for such transaction if you can proof the experience (either yours or your PM's). But it will be a harder sell with the PM only expertise.

  • Realtor · Hanover Twp, PA · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    @Aaron Hale, I think you're asking the right kinds of questions and that's always a good start.

    I would jump to think what you want the end result to look like. This is a C/D neighborhood. So, what kind of rehab makes sense and what will the rent roll look like at that point? Then figure what your ARV is with that type of rehab in mind.

    Given you have a cash-flowing property with good long term tenants, you might consider NOT doing a full rehab right off. Perhaps address any issues that could cause the house to deteriorate as well as any health and safety issues.  Even though the house might not be cosmetically how you want it, your investment is protected and generating good cash flow. You might even choose to refi at that point and get most or all of your money out of it. You can always upgrade units as they turn over when you would have natural vacancy anyways. 

  • Member since 2016 · 13k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    7y

    If you intend to invest in C/D class you only do necessary repairs you do not renovate. Renovation would only be worth the investment if the area is in transition to B class.

    To renovate you would need to replace all tenants and be charging a considerably higher rent to a higher class of tenant.

    Repair the roof, maintain the mechanicals when necessary, cosmetics..... forget it this is a C/D you don't concern yourself with cosmetics.

    If you intend to survive in that market you need to change your mind set. It is not a money bit it is a potential gold mine. For the right price and minimum repairs you are in business.

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