First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

First time with new construction: Cape Coral, FL

Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes

Hey guys,
This post is mainly just to share where I'm at with this process, provide opportunities for myself to network with others in the area, and so I can periodically update.  I have connected with several members doing new construction or with boots on the ground in Cape Coral, so thanks to all of you that have discussed and answered questions from me so far.
Here's where I'm at:
-Connected with Rent to Retirement in November/December 2021 to discuss the area and opportunity.
-Closed on build contract January 2022 on a 4/3 (Build price itself is 246k).
-Closed on Freshwater canal Lot February 2022. (39k with closing costs).
-(All in construction+lot cost is 285k before loan and closing costs).
-Sent Deposit to builder February 2022. (13.5k) 
-Surveys, Site Plan, Septic Design approval initiated: February 2022
-Completed Survey/Design Package completed and sent to city of Cape Coral: June 2022
-As of August 2022, Permits are still under review by city.  Most submissions are under "Approved" status, but permit not formally issued.
-Lender currently has an estimated valuation of 410k for the property.


The hope is to buy and hold, LTR.  Current projected rent: ~$2450/mo

Needless to say, it has been a very interesting time to build.  We are excited, at times frustrated, and have a healthy level of anxiety, but all of those elements were expected from the start.

I'll try to keep this thread updated, as it has always been helpful for me to read others' experiences.

-Don

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Rental Property Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
4y

@Don M.

Thanks for sharing the details of your project!  Please keep us all updated with progress.  All normal emotions for going through the tedious construction process.  I'm right there with you.  Hopefully things continue to progress, and you come out on top with a huge equity position/high cash flow when it's all completed.  We are seeing about 50/50 split of people holding as rentals vs selling.  The avg equity position upon completion is about $150K with avg rent of $2,500 leasing in 3 weeks or less post CO.  Hopefully this gives you some light at the end of the tunnel.  Feel free to reach out at any point with any questions, or just to get a sense of how the market is doing overall.

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  • Investor · Camas, WA · Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 29 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Don M.:

    Block on site, scheduled to go vertical next week.

    Updated timeline:
    Lot purchase Feb 2022
    Permit approvals August and Sept 2022
    Hurricane Ian Sept 2022
    Lot cleared Nov 2022
    Underground plumbing and slab April 2023
    Block delivery July 2023


     I commend your patience.  Do you have an idea as to when it'll be completed? 

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Neal Coppola:
    Quote from @Don M.:

    Block on site, scheduled to go vertical next week.

    Updated timeline:
    Lot purchase Feb 2022
    Permit approvals August and Sept 2022
    Hurricane Ian Sept 2022
    Lot cleared Nov 2022
    Underground plumbing and slab April 2023
    Block delivery July 2023


     I commend your patience.  Do you have an idea as to when it'll be completed? 


     Thanks Neal.  To be honest, I'm not sure.  I'm trying to stay objective about the build process on here, so will avoid speculation.
    Objectively:
    -Builder had said on a couple occasions, about six months after slab pour. (in my case, block was scheduled to start going vertical about 3 months after slab pour).
    -I have talked to multiple investors, at various stages of their builds, who have stated they are over the 2 year mark since contract.  I will be at the two year mark in about 5 months.

    Hopefully, improved supply chains, permitting in the city, and being further out from Hurricane Ian helps new construction in the area, as a whole.

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    3y

    Block is up, tie-beam passed with the city, and to be poured next week.  Next trusses and roof dry in.  Block going vertical to tie beam inspection was just about 3 weeks.

  • Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 26 votes
    3y

    hi don, nice to see progress and thanks for posting the updates.

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    3y

    thanks @Rong Tan



    Looks like Hurricane Idalia will miss SWFL, with only minor impacts to that area.  Thoughts go out to everyone further north that is in the path of this coming storm.

  • Member since 2022 · 36 posts · 26 votes
    3y

    still waiting for mine to start...we got the permit but our builder is requesting an escalation so ended up swapping builder now w similar original cost and hope to start in a month or two...

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Rong Tan:

    still waiting for mine to start...we got the permit but our builder is requesting an escalation so ended up swapping builder now w similar original cost and hope to start in a month or two...

     Ouch, sounds like a lot to deal with.  
    I have to say, I have been very fortunate with no escalation from the builder I'm with, so far.  There is an escalation clause in my contract, but it hasn't been used.

    I hope things get started for you and go smoothly from here!

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    3y

    Tie-beam poured, post city inspection.  Photos from a third party inspector, as required by lender.

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y

    Internal lumber and roof sheathing in.

  • Investor · Camas, WA · Member since 2020 · 29 posts · 29 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Don M.:

    Internal lumber and roof sheathing in.


     That's starting to take shape....... literally!  How exciting!  Being in the PNW, those blue skies look nice too.  

  • Developer · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 157 posts · 84 votes
    2y

    Hello, friend! You're considering taking a peek at the Cape Coral, Florida real estate market, which is fantastic! Let's now discuss taking on new construction for your first time around.

    The spread between value and cost is quite healthy, but are there transactions recently supporting this price?

    Need to watch out for utilities like water meter, electrical, gas, and sewer. Depending on the location and the city, these could take a long time. The City could also require solar power. If you have a good GC and architect familiar with this area, then you should be fine.

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jay Chang:

    Hello, friend! You're considering taking a peek at the Cape Coral, Florida real estate market, which is fantastic! Let's now discuss taking on new construction for your first time around.

    The spread between value and cost is quite healthy, but are there transactions recently supporting this price?

    Need to watch out for utilities like water meter, electrical, gas, and sewer. Depending on the location and the city, these could take a long time. The City could also require solar power. If you have a good GC and architect familiar with this area, then you should be fine.


     This seems like an AI post with blanket statements, given this project has been going on over a year and a half.  Regardless, the market has slowed, but prices remain relatively stable.  The property is on well and septic and utilities extension for my area is twelve years away.

    None of cape coral requires solar that I'm aware of, but certainly not this project.

  • Investor · NJ · Member since 2022 · 155 posts · 224 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Jay Chang:

    Hello, friend! You're considering taking a peek at the Cape Coral, Florida real estate market, which is fantastic! Let's now discuss taking on new construction for your first time around.

    The spread between value and cost is quite healthy, but are there transactions recently supporting this price?

    Need to watch out for utilities like water meter, electrical, gas, and sewer. Depending on the location and the city, these could take a long time. The City could also require solar power. If you have a good GC and architect familiar with this area, then you should be fine.


     What on Earth are you talking about? Have you followed this thread? Lol, talk about an AI bot post, damn. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2014 · 382 posts · 300 votes
    2y

    Looking good Don. Is that a Delta home?

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Peter Davis:

    Looking good Don. Is that a Delta home?


     Yes it is.  I've seen some of these models have been getting completed recently and look nice.

    As an aside, plumbing rough, electric rough, and HVAC rough are pending inspection tomorrow.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2014 · 382 posts · 300 votes
    2y

    That's great!

  • Investor · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 35 votes
    2y

    Don Miller - Thank you for sharing.  I'm currently permitted to build 2 homes, similiar in composition to yours, and my #s mirror yours.  Exception being, I'm adding pools to mine.  The first 2 kicked off without a hitch, and the experience has been positive, so I decided to move forward with others.  

    On top of the 2 that are ongoing, I'm permitting for 2 new builds, and I noticed that pool prices came down a few bucks, and my truss prices were 30% less than when I started building 6 months ago.  

    I too, am hopeful the City gets the right model at the building department to handle the volume of permits and inspections.  I like how the City puts everything permit related on a portal for all related parties and contractors to see -- so there is no "he said, she said" down the road, and you can see where they've approved an inspection, or made comments needed to correct a deficiency.  

    Overall, its been a very positive experience.  There is a tremendous amount of energy around the long term prospects for the Cape.  Happy to be a part of the movement.  

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Joe R.:

    Don Miller - Thank you for sharing.  I'm currently permitted to build 2 homes, similiar in composition to yours, and my #s mirror yours.  Exception being, I'm adding pools to mine.  The first 2 kicked off without a hitch, and the experience has been positive, so I decided to move forward with others.  

    On top of the 2 that are ongoing, I'm permitting for 2 new builds, and I noticed that pool prices came down a few bucks, and my truss prices were 30% less than when I started building 6 months ago.  

    I too, am hopeful the City gets the right model at the building department to handle the volume of permits and inspections.  I like how the City puts everything permit related on a portal for all related parties and contractors to see -- so there is no "he said, she said" down the road, and you can see where they've approved an inspection, or made comments needed to correct a deficiency.  

    Overall, its been a very positive experience.  There is a tremendous amount of energy around the long term prospects for the Cape.  Happy to be a part of the movement.  


     Best of luck, Joe!
    A lot has happened since starting, between material shortages in SWFL for a while, a massive hurricane, a period of power outage, damages to various parts of the city (and major damages to surrounding cities), high demand in labor/resources, a transformation in permitting systems, and a boom in construction in general.  A lot has calmed down lately, it seems.
    I agree that Cape Coral still presents a large potential for upside in the long-term! 

  • Real Estate Investor · Cypress, CA · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 15 votes
    2y

    Thank you for the updates!  I am following your posts since we have been 2+ years in the making with RTR and Delta from start to finish. Unbelievable at times....

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y

    Coming along over the last month.  (Photos from a third party inspector)

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y
  • Investor · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 35 votes
    2y

    Cruising Right Along - Awaiting Sheathing Inspection.  

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y

    @Joe R. Looking good!  When did you start your process?  We're not too far off in terms of progress.

  • Investor · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 35 votes
    2y

    Permits were approved mid September 2023, we started in the beginning of October 2023.  Sheathing inspection was a pass.  Need to put the windows and doors in, and then start the mechanical rough inside.  

  • Member since 2021 · 135 posts · 203 votes
    2y
    Quote from @Joe R.:

    Permits were approved mid September 2023, we started in the beginning of October 2023.  Sheathing inspection was a pass.  Need to put the windows and doors in, and then start the mechanical rough inside.  


     Wow!  Permits on this project were approved by the city August and September of 2022, a full year before yours.  Hurricane Ian hit right after my permits were approved.

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