Need Help Analyzing New Construction Deal

Need Help Analyzing New Construction Deal

Madison WI · Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 45 votes

Hey Guys and Gals,

I need help analyzing a new construction deal I am very interested in pursuing. Since I have limited experience in this field I think it would be best to have you guys triple check my numbers! Here goes


Lot:55k

House:275k

Total Property Value: 330k

Build Time: 4 months

Sale time: 1-12 months (can be sold while under construction)


My plan is to get approved for a construction loan. I have found a bank that does a 80-20 LTV interest only construction loan and they will also credit me the GC fee (up to 16k) and all the real estate sales fee (6% so 19.8k) The max they will lend out for the 330k price point is 264k. My lot fee comes out of that so 264k - 55k is 214k. Now I only have 214k to build the house itself but with the GC fee and Realtor commissions added as a credit (35.8k in total) that puts me at 249.8k of the banks money to build the 275k house. I will have cash to cover the difference (25.2k, but will have extra just in case).

Recap

Actual banks LTV ratio is a 92-8 on a 330k new construction property. The interest rate of the loan is 5.5% (interest only).

I have negotiated a deal with the builder and he is willing to build and develop the lot for 5k. He is a well known builder in the area and very reputable. He states that generally he makes 7% of the total cost of the property in profit for himself. (330,000/100 = 3300 (1%)) (3300 x 7 = 23,100). I have negotiated a flat fee for the builder of 5k. If he is only taking 5k off his normal 23.1k profit that leaves 18.1k left in the property for profit. First question, does 7% profit as a builder sound like a legitimate number?


Now, there are interest payments and holding costs to consider. The loan is 5.5% interest but only based on the money pulled out for construction. The draws would be around 1/4 of the total loan 264k. The builder says that he can build this building in 4 months. There have been many instances of people buying these homes before they are even finished being built in the market I am looking in. I am not banking on it, but it is a pleasant thought. The property taxes per month on a 55k lot come to 96$ a month. The total interest due after 4 months of construction come to $3200. In 4 months the total holding costs will come to $3584.

So we have the $18,100 profit minus the holding costs of $3584 which comes to $14,516 of profit on the table once the building is completed. 

For every month after the final draw I will owe interest on the totality of the loan (264,000 at 5.5% interest comes to $1210 a month in just interest. When we include property taxes it will still be evaluated at 55,000 which means my property taxes are still $96 dollars a month. So every month I have to pay $1300 in property taxes and interest). 

If the building is sold before it is finished being constructed (theres a good chance in the neighborhood and market, but not guaranteed) I would make $14,516 on a $25,200 investment. Plus I would be the Realtor on the sellers side so add that commission. Every month after month 4 means I have to pay $1300 in interest and taxes which cuts into my profit. It would take 11.16 months just for the deal to break on just the money that the builder is keeping in the deal. 


Do these numbers coming from my builder sound correct? Am I missing any costs? 
I have always been taught when something sounds too good to be true, it probably is, but JUST IN CASE ITS NOT go to BP forums ha

Thanks for any and all advice


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Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
6y

@Justin Woodworth this deal does not make sense to me at all. You have no profit margin and one mistake or cost over run will put you the hole. You should have a profit margin of at least 20% on a new build.

Also $5k fee to build a house is too cheap. I don’t know any legitimate builder who would do that. Overheard alone costs more than that to build a house. Most GC are 15-20% depending on the size of the house. 

I would not advise you to do this deal based on what you have described.

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  • Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y

    @Justin Woodworth this deal does not make sense to me at all. You have no profit margin and one mistake or cost over run will put you the hole. You should have a profit margin of at least 20% on a new build.

    Also $5k fee to build a house is too cheap. I don’t know any legitimate builder who would do that. Overheard alone costs more than that to build a house. Most GC are 15-20% depending on the size of the house. 

    I would not advise you to do this deal based on what you have described.

  • Contractor · Fairhaven, MA · Member since 2018 · 167 posts · 159 votes
    6y
    Builders profit margin in my area is 17%-20%+ if they're financing.  It sounds like you're hiring a construction "consultant" who will not be issuing checks etc.  Even then someone would want 10% plus in my area and even that doesn't register on the "good deal scale" (too low).   What are you going to do for money for the house plans, building permits, engineering permits for septic / sewer connection, tree removal, excavating, septic system installation, foundation, concrete all before you get your first stage payment?

    Rule of thumb in my area.  You need 10% or more of the cost of total construction cost to cover your subs (unless you can convince them to work for up to a couple months without money) until you get the first stage payment.  I'm going through a spec home right now and I have 15% of construction cost in reserve for subs until stage payment.  It's the bare minimum and that's using my credit accounts (not accounted for in above 15%) at the lumber yard that will buy me 30 days for the framing, roofing and siding.

    The numbers you gave above I wouldn't bet success........BUT I'm pulling for you!!

    As for your question does 7% sound legit?  In my area if you offered 7% in even 2008 almost every builder would still chuckle, mumble and walk off....  In today's economy?  I would assume if he's working for that he's unlicensed and uninsured........

    Oh, that's another upfront item.  In my area in order for me to build my own house I had to come up with liability insurance $2.3k, builders risk $1.7k, workmans comp. $600 (no employees) and road bond $100.

    Oh, another upfront number is energy modeling.  That's another $700 deposit.  I'm sure you're in an energy zone living that far north.

    Good luck but I really think you need to pick the brain of an objective builder in your state with no skin in the game.  Even in the dark depths of the last recession no one would work for the numbers you quoted above that was LEGIT.....  If you're a real estate agent surely you have worked with a builder before that you could buy them lunch and run your numbers over with them. 
  • Justin WoodworthPro Member
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    Madison WI · Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    @Greg Dickerson

    Thank you for responding. When you say there should be at least a 20% margin, is that the typical margin in your area? Also, when you say this doesn't make sense, what to you is sticking out thats not making sense.

    Update: After rereading my post, the lot is developed, trees are gone, it has city sewer, water and electric already ran to it.

  • Justin WoodworthPro Member
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    Madison WI · Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    @Jay M.

    Thank you for your advice! I will continue to be doing my research. Your advice is exactly what I am looking for. I know that the 5k seems sketchy but due to the situation and this being a public forum I cannot exactly get into more detail. He is a licensed GC and insured.

    I will have to see what other costs are being left off the table and I will find an independent builder to speak to.

    When you say you have 15% put away, thats the oh **** money in case something goes wrong. Thats not including any money that you would be putting down on the house for the build correct? Whats your building price point that youre most familiar with?

  • Contractor · Fairhaven, MA · Member since 2018 · 167 posts · 159 votes
    6y

    @Justin Woodworth  No, that 15% is what I need to pay all the subs listed above until I get my 1st draw.  I can't have the excavators come and clear the land, dig the hole, put in the septic system then backfill after the foundation is in on credit.  Everyone wants to be paid immediately after completion and usually in stages while they're working (above excavator has the $23k over 4 payments.  My $337k loan is split up into 5 stage payments although you can have more in the case of my bank they charge $150 for every inspection for release of funds over 5 factored in.  So when I walked away from the closing of the purchase of the lot / construction loan I knew I needed a minimum of 10% to carry me the 1st month.  I have 15% and even then it will be a very carefully orchestrated dance to not run out of money between stages as I pay for the materials / subs.

  • Contractor · Fairhaven, MA · Member since 2018 · 167 posts · 159 votes
    6y

    @Justin Woodworth   The price point my spec will sell for will be somewhere between $510-$540k.   In my area that is just a simple 2,400 sq. ft. house.

  • Justin WoodworthPro Member
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    Madison WI · Member since 2019 · 71 posts · 45 votes
    6y

    @Jay M.

    So your spec will sell for 510-540k. Your loan is for 337k. What is the projected cost to build the actual structure?

  • Developer · Charlottesville, VA · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Justin Woodworth:

    @Greg Dickerson

    Thank you for responding. When you say there should be at least a 20% margin, is that the typical margin in your area? Also, when you say this doesn't make sense, what to you is sticking out thats not making sense.

    Update: After rereading my post, the lot is developed, trees are gone, it has city sewer, water and electric already ran to it.


    Most builders or developers look for 20% profit margin pretty much anywhere not just my area. 

    What I mean is that there’s not enough profit margin for the deal to make sense. You are probably going to lose money if you do this deal. 

  • Contractor · Fairhaven, MA · Member since 2018 · 167 posts · 159 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Justin Woodworth:

    @Jay M.

    So your spec will sell for 510-540k. Your loan is for 337k. What is the projected cost to build the actual structure?

    Land was 75k, construction cost is budgeted for $300k.  $300k cost is me eating some of the labor I'll do.  Like the plans, finish, kitchen etc.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Member since 2018 · 87 posts · 67 votes
    6y

    @Justin Woodworth

    I have only flipped old houses so don’t take my word as gospel but I would not consider any deal new build or rehab with so little of a profit margin. Anything goes wrong, any delay...you’re going to be underwater. I could be missing something from your post for sure but not something I’d do myself.

  • Contractor · Denver, CO · Member since 2009 · 399 posts · 166 votes
    6y

    So... a very reputable builder who usually gets 23k for building a house is going to do it for 5k?  I mean, come on, that does not pass the sniff test. I would install some cabinets for 5k, labor only, but build a complete house... no way. Get three other bids and you'll find out what's going on here. What size house are you building? 

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