Friends Don't Let Friends Rent Their Primary Residence

Friends Don't Let Friends Rent Their Primary Residence

Investor · Morehead City, NC · Member since 2015 · 99 posts · 32 votes

I know there is a lot of discussion on house hacking on BP and it can be a great strategy, but renting out a house that was purchased as a primary residence is a good way to go broke. I've recently gotten a phone call from a good friend that motivated me to write this post. He called to give me his condolences for me being a part-time landlord. "I don't know how you do it. I'm putting my house up for sale." His call came after 18 months of renting out a house that started out as his primary residence. He went on to tell me that renting out his house costed him $19,000 last year. "The rent was covering the mortgage, but with taxes, insurance, and upkeep I'm going broke." he said. Some one else told me this week that their primary house would cash flow because the rent, insurance, and taxes came to $1200 and it would rent for $1500. I wanted to hug them and tell them it would be alright, but I'd be lying. 

I thought about it, and I've seen this time and time again with people trying to get started in real estate investing. Renting a house that loses money every month is like starting a business and selling goods for less than you buy them for. People hear about making money in real estate and they decide to rent their once primary residence out when the time comes that they need to move. The problem is that the investment was never purchased with renting as the endgame, so the house doesn't cash flow. There isn't enough meat on the bone to cover capital expenditures, repairs, property management, HOA fees, and other costs. I'm curious what kind of honest experiences BP members have to share with renting out their primary residences.

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Hurst, TX · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 6 votes
10y

Honestly i think this happens because people buy their primary residence at retail or very close to it. From everything i have seen to actually cashflow you have to buy the property cheap enough where after rehab you are in it 50% of Retail.

Just my opinion of course =]

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  • Hurst, TX · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    Honestly i think this happens because people buy their primary residence at retail or very close to it. From everything i have seen to actually cashflow you have to buy the property cheap enough where after rehab you are in it 50% of Retail.

    Just my opinion of course =]

  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    10y

    I was expecting a landlord horror story!  House hacking to me doesn't need to put money in your pocket, just reduce your overall housing expenses significantly.  It's not like selling things at a loss in my view.  We all have to live somewhere.  If they were only paying a few hundred a month to live somewhere decent, I'd say it's still a win.

    Our 'mother-in-law' apt at my house brings in about $800/mo.  It doesn't cover the mortgage or taxes or insurance entirely at all, but it helps.  It makes this house a true asset according to Kiyosaki.  When it's paid off the rent portion will more than cover ownership costs.  That often is more of the goal rather than a truly cash-flowing situation.  Good post though, @John Suralik!   Folks need to be aware of the difference.

  • Investor · Morehead City, NC · Member since 2015 · 99 posts · 32 votes
    10y

    @Steve Vaughan Yeah, my first line was confusing. I totally agree with you about house hacking: lowering your personal housing costs is the goal.  What I wanted to get at was the dangers of renting out a primary residence that was purchased at retail and not purchased with enough meat on the bone. In my friend's case, he literally paid 10% of his home's value to rent it out for one year. He did have a few months of vacancy, some HVAC issues, but nothing too out of the ordinary.  When he was living there, the costs wasn't a concern because he liked living there and his goals were not to make money on the home.  

    @Jeff Cox Yeah, definitely. I'd love the see the math on renting out a house that was purchased at retail. Maybe a chart over 30 years. In my friend's case, it seems like he would have lost a few hundred thousand over 30 years. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Campobello, SC · Member since 2015 · 74 posts · 11 votes
    10y

    Sorry, but I totally disagree.

  • Investor · Morehead City, NC · Member since 2015 · 99 posts · 32 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @James Maher:

    Sorry, but I totally disagree.

     There are definitely markets where buying retail and renting may work and it all depends on the exact property and situation, but I've seen people take it off the noggin renting their primary home.  

  • Real Estate Investor · Campobello, SC · Member since 2015 · 74 posts · 11 votes
    10y

    @John Suralik I think that can be said for any strategy in any market.  Look at the  numbers.  If the numbers work, do it... if not, don't do it.

    I'm currently renting the first house I bought. Even though I did an FHA and have a pretty hefty payment due to the low down payment and the PMI that will still be there for about 10 more months... it's cash flowing about $200/month after all expenses.

    Had I put 20% down AND not had to pay the $120/month PMI, I would be doing a lot better.

  • Hurst, TX · Member since 2015 · 34 posts · 6 votes
    10y

    well in my case i paid pretty damn close to retail for my house in DFW. To be fair the market is soo hot that i basically had to make offers same day as the houses came on market to get anything. My house is roughly 2040 sqft and the 2 car garage was converted into an efficiency apartment or in-law suite depending on the area. I paid like 125k for it when it was on the market for 135k. I rent the apartment for 500 + 1/3 bills to a co-worker which is extremely low around here but over all makes it very cheap for me to live in. I think this will make it very easy to cash flow or a nightmare as this is not metered separately. My GF loves this house though so i think instead of moving into a bigger better rehab house, i will just end up staying in this one and buying duplex/triplex/quadplex and a mix of SFH outside of the metroplex.

    I think if i were to actually move that when its all said and done i would find that this house would not cash flow very well as i paid close to retail and there is alot of stuff i need to do to it that was covered up by the previous owner. HAd this not been the case and i wasnt buying when the market was hot i could have had a great rental at about 70% market value.

    Sorry for the long post i just see how this goes both ways. I personally think MFH is the way to go but soo many people talk about how SFH is the way to go. I think it all depends on how cheap you get it.

  • Investor · Morehead City, NC · Member since 2015 · 99 posts · 32 votes
    10y

    @Jeff Cox Congratulations! It sounds like you set yourself up a sweet situation with the house hack you got going on and you knew what your intentions were for the property. I keep seeing posts where DFW and California are hot markets. My local market has recovered some, but we are still not back to 05/06 prices and there are still quite a few REOs around. 

    I live near two military bases, and I see a lot of military personnel get transferred and try to rent out their primary home to keep it as an investment and it seems to me that they are losing money. I don't see appreciation and mortgage pay down bailing them out. 

  • Real Estate Broker · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 607 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Cox:

    Honestly i think this happens because people buy their primary residence at retail or very close to it. From everything i have seen to actually cashflow you have to buy the property cheap enough where after rehab you are in it 50% of Retail.

    Just my opinion of course =]

    True, you want to buy at as much of a discount to retail as possible, but nowhere nearly as low as 50% of retail.   In fact, if that's your bogey, and you want to buy in DFW, good luck!    Deals are out there, but to find one that deeply discounted would be a rare exception.

  • Real Estate Broker · North Richland Hills, TX · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 607 votes
    10y
  • Investor · Flower Mound, TX · Member since 2015 · 179 posts · 48 votes
    10y

    Be it a homestead or rental when you buy with your heart your bound to overpay. This explains why most get into trouble. Not so much because it wasn't originally thought of as a rental. We've all done it at one point. I know I have. As investors we look at properties very differently than non-investors. Of course there are exceptions, a 20 room home won't make for a good rental if it's in the wrong spot.  

    I've successfully rented one of my residences. It never made me a fortune but it didn't lose money either. 

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