Noobie here: Should we invest with the in-laws?

Noobie here: Should we invest with the in-laws?

Midland Park, NJ · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 1 vote

My husband and I are newly married (2 months) and the only experience we have with real estate is the current home we live in that my husband bought 5 years ago. My husband's parents have come across a house they'd like to renovate then sell or rent. They have offered their two adult children, my husband and his brother, the opportunity to be silent investors in the project, with a suggested buy in at $20,000. At this point, I'm not sure what percent share this would give us in the final sale of the house.

My father-in-law is a general contractor and will do the work on the house himself with the renovations expected to conclude in one year. The current owners are elderly and want to continue to live in the house as renovations occur, and will pay $1000 per month in rent.

My husband and I (and brother-in-law and his wife) are currently renovating our own older homes, which is why none of us are interested in buying this other house ourselves to fix up and sell.

I'm looking for any feedback on a) investing with the in-laws (conventional wisdom says don't do it because of family politics) and b) being a silent investor. Is this even worthy considering, as it's a family deal and we are newly wed? What other issues should we consider? Thank you in advance!

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Linda WeygantPro Member
Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
9y

Here are questions I would ask:

1. What are your in-laws - particularly your father-in-law's - experience with flipping? He may be a great general contractor, but is he (or somebody who will be involved in the transaction) great at estimating ARV, appropriate purchase price, etc?

2.  How exactly will the profits be distributed?

3.  Will there be a formal partnership agreement with a legal structure and a legal framework that you can all rely on to resolve disputes?

4.  What happens if the house doesn't sell?  Will anybody guarantee the original investment, or can that be lost?

Investing with family isn't an automatic no-no, but it is something to think about very heavily.  Additionally, how much of the money you and your husband are investing is "yours" vs "his"?  You may not run your finances this way, but this can be a real sticking point.  If he is very enthusiastic on this, and the money is technically what he has earned/saved, then it may be very difficult for you to put the brakes on this.  And vice versa.  

Last, but not least, ask yourself this.

If you lost every dime, and even had to come up with extra to resolve some liability that was created by this deal, would it ruin Thanksgiving?  Would you resent your in-laws?  Could you afford to lose this money and be really and truly ok with it?

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  • Linda WeygantPro Member
    Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Here are questions I would ask:

    1. What are your in-laws - particularly your father-in-law's - experience with flipping? He may be a great general contractor, but is he (or somebody who will be involved in the transaction) great at estimating ARV, appropriate purchase price, etc?

    2.  How exactly will the profits be distributed?

    3.  Will there be a formal partnership agreement with a legal structure and a legal framework that you can all rely on to resolve disputes?

    4.  What happens if the house doesn't sell?  Will anybody guarantee the original investment, or can that be lost?

    Investing with family isn't an automatic no-no, but it is something to think about very heavily.  Additionally, how much of the money you and your husband are investing is "yours" vs "his"?  You may not run your finances this way, but this can be a real sticking point.  If he is very enthusiastic on this, and the money is technically what he has earned/saved, then it may be very difficult for you to put the brakes on this.  And vice versa.  

    Last, but not least, ask yourself this.

    If you lost every dime, and even had to come up with extra to resolve some liability that was created by this deal, would it ruin Thanksgiving?  Would you resent your in-laws?  Could you afford to lose this money and be really and truly ok with it?

  • Swarthmore, PA · Member since 2017 · 49 posts · 12 votes
    9y

    @Amanda A. I love my in-laws to death but... holy ball and chain - your suggestion might just give me nightmares tonight

  • Real Estate Investor · Encinitas, CA · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    @Amanda A. One way to think this through might be: "What does $20K mean to you?"  It's a heck of a lot to put at risk for someone that is making $60K but less so for someone making $200K.  It could be the difference between "that was an awful loss" and "your parents ruined out lives and let's get a divorce!"  Terms also make a massive difference.  Is your $20K the 'first money out' or the 'last money out'?  If it's senior debt then you probably won't lost your $20K, you just might not make anything.  If it's junior debt, you have a lot more at risk.  I could probably write another 8 paragraphs on possible scenarios... 

  • Midland Park, NJ · Member since 2017 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    Thanks for your replies! I was interested to see how strongly anyone would rebuff the idea based on the family factor alone. However, we recently all had a sit down meeting with the 6 of us and asked a lot of questions. It seems like we are all on the same page about most things, so we are likely going forward with the plan. My husband and I also discussed about how much we could afford to spend and lose and still be ok with having his parents over for Thanksgiving!! I appreciate you all taking the time to respond.

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