$10,000 SBA Loan / Grant

$10,000 SBA Loan / Grant

Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Anyone else applying for an SBA Economic Injury Disaster Loan? Based on what I've read in the Stimulus Bill we all might be eligible for a 10k grant advance.

"(e) Emergency grant

(1) In general: During the covered period, an entity included for eligibility in subsection (b), including small business concerns, private nonprofit organizations, and small agricultural cooperatives, that applies for a loan under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)) in response to COVID–19 may request that the Administrator provide an advance that is, subject to paragraph (3), in the amount requested by such applicant to such applicant within 3 days after the Administrator receives an application from such applicant.

(2)Verification: Before disbursing amounts under this subsection, the Administrator shall verify that the applicant is an eligible entity by accepting a self-certification from the applicant under penalty of perjury pursuant to section 1746 of title 28 United States Code.

(3) Amount: The amount of an advance provided under this subsection shall be not more than $10,000.

(4) Use of funds: An advance provided under this subsection may be used to address any allowable purpose for a loan made under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)), including—

(A) providing paid sick leave to employees unable to work due to the direct effect of the COVID–19;

(B) maintaining payroll to retain employees during business disruptions or substantial slowdowns;

(C) meeting increased costs to obtain materials unavailable from the applicant’s original source due to interrupted supply chains;

(D) making rent or mortgage payments; and

(E) repaying obligations that cannot be met due to revenue losses."

Those that are interested I applied at the sba.gov website 

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Member since 2019 · 13 posts · 24 votes
6y

Alright, I have an update, well, sort of. So I called the 1800 number of the SBA and talked to a rep after waiting about 1 hour. She was relatively nice. Following is the conversation:

Me: So I submitted the application Tuesday and I requested the $10,000 advance grant. Today's Friday. Where's my money, dawg? (just kidding, I did not say that last sentence)

Rep: It will take about 3 weeks before you get an email about your eligibility. 

Me: Huh? But Congress says 3 days in the law?

Rep: Well, the 3 days begins when we accept your application and process your eligibility , not when you submit it. (Now, I disagree. I think she's wrong, or the SBA is wrong). 

Me: OK, but Congress also said, I can still get the advance as a grant, even if I am later denied the loan. 

Rep: That is correct. That sure is a possibility (now we were on the phone, but I pretty sure I detected a "wink wink" here)

Me: So then why does it take 3 weeks? 

Rep: Because it does. Just keep watching your email and phone. They may email or phone you. 

Me: But I still don't understand... 

Rep: IT TAKES 3 WEEKS. KEEP WATCHING EMAILS. 

Me: Alright....

I am posting the text of the bill directly from Congress, and bold the relevant parts:

(e) Emergency Grant.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—During the covered period, an entity included for eligibility in subsection (b), including small business concerns, private nonprofit organizations, and small agricultural cooperatives, that applies for a loan under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)) in response to COVID–19 may request that the Administrator provide an advance that is, subject to paragraph (3), in the amount requested by such applicant to such applicant within 3 days after the Administrator receives an application from such applicant.

(2) VERIFICATION.—Before disbursing amounts under this subsection, the Administrator shall verify that the applicant is an eligible entity by accepting a self-certification from the applicant under penalty of perjury pursuant to section 1746 of title 28 United States Code.

(3) AMOUNT.—The amount of an advance provided under this subsection shall be not more than $10,000.

(4) USE OF FUNDS.—An advance provided under this subsection may be used to address any allowable purpose for a loan made under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)), including—

(A) providing paid sick leave to employees unable to work due to the direct effect of the COVID–19;

(B) maintaining payroll to retain employees during business disruptions or substantial slowdowns;

(C) meeting increased costs to obtain materials unavailable from the applicant’s original source due to interrupted supply chains;

(D) making rent or mortgage payments; and

(E) repaying obligations that cannot be met due to revenue losses.

(5) REPAYMENT.—An applicant shall not be required to repay any amounts of an advance provided under this subsection, even if subsequently denied a loan under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(

So, I think the SBA is full of crap. They are putting up red tapes that are nowhere to be found in the laws while Congress has written the laws in so black and white that it doesn't even leave any room for interpretation. So right now the SBA is saying:

1) We haven't received your application. It is not "received" until we review it. 

-> No way. The text of the law says nothing about reviewing. "within 3 days after the Administrator receives an application from such applicant". We have a confirmation number. That mean SBA receives it. Period. 

2) What is this reviewing for eligibility crap? Congress also says in black and white: "the Administrator shall verify that the applicant is an eligible entity by accepting a self-certification from the applicant under penalty of perjury". 

-> We DID that self-certification in the application itself. That should be all that is required. 

--> Bottom line: I think they're playing games with us and the SBA is blatantly defying Congress. 

I think I am going to start writing to my Senators and Representatives. Let's make some noise

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  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Gregory Schwartz

    I applied for it. I didn't expect to get it cause I didn't need it but I just wanted a back up for in case.. Last night I saw a number on my bank account of which I knew was incorrect so after a little more digging, I noticed that I did receive it. It might come in handy. If not, I'll just give it back.

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Nickolas Quartez how long ago did you apply?

  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Genny Smith

    Jokingly enough on April 1st 🤣

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Nickolas Quartez wondering will I hear anything back? I applied that day too. I know they pulled my credit, wonder what’s that about? 

  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Genny Smith

    No clue. I don't even know if my credit was pulled or not. I didn't get a call or mail,,, literally nothing but 10k. If I only had an address so I can send them a thank you card lol

  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    This is actually FREE MONEY.

    Look:

    https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs/loans/coronavirus-relief-options/economic-injury-disaster-loan-emergency-advance

    It will NOT have to be repaid!

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Nickolas Quartez lucky you and hope this helps you out a lot! Did you have employees. You’re the first I’ve seen get 10k instead of 1k

  • Palo Alto, CA · Member since 2017 · 230 posts · 200 votes
    6y

    My 15 year old's company (clothing) just got $1000 grant today.   She started it with 4 other high schoolers in Dec 2019 - no revenue yet.  No credit check as they don't have credit history.   Kids are so happy!

    There is hope for everyone who applied.  If you have not applied, definitely try once new applications are accepted.     

  • Rental Property Investor · Huron, OH · Member since 2015 · 40 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    Well at least the kids are getting their grants! I applied in March and have had credit pulled twice (I have 700+ credit) and have yet to receive a dime and haven’t received stimulus either. I guess I’m the odd one out. 

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2016 · 425 posts · 184 votes
    6y

    What did you enter for # of employees? 

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @James Defazio same here I haven’t gotten anything back like literally 

  • Real Estate Agent · Fort Myers FL · Member since 2019 · 20 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    @Christopher B.

    Nada... I'm self employed

  • Investor · Southeast, MI · Member since 2016 · 425 posts · 184 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Nickolas Quartez:

    @Christopher B.

    Nada... I'm self employed

    Ok, thanks.  That's great, good protection just in case.  

  • Palo Alto, CA · Member since 2017 · 230 posts · 200 votes
    6y

    My kids company don't have any employees - bunch of high school kids.   So I don't think # of employee matters, but I heard they will process those with more than 1 employee faster and allocate more money.

  • Rental Property Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2018 · 112 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    Update for you guys. I applied March 31st and I just received $1,000 today 4/22. 

  • Woodbridge, VA · Member since 2018 · 24 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    @Gregory Schwartz I was able to successfully apply the loan. I did not receive the full amount but I did get something. I would apply!

  • Gaithersburg, MD · Member since 2013 · 90 posts · 9 votes
    6y

    I have four properties and self manage them all. I never set up true entity do I qualify to apply as a landlord?

  • Member since 2017 · 58 posts · 91 votes
    6y

    Don't worry the Federal Government is coming to the rescue!

    Get a load of this.

    Congress is now considering the Rent and Mortgage Cancellation Act which would cancel all rent and mortgage payments for the duration of the pandemic, and possibly beyond for up to a year.

    And the law would be retroactive, so they’d go back in time to March 13 to cancel rent.

    The government would then set up a fund for landlords and mortgage holders “allowing them to recoup their losses, so long as they agree to abide by a set of fair renting and lending practices for a period of five years.”

    Some of those conditions include not raising the rent for five years, and not denying renters based on credit history, or criminal record.

    This is insane. First the government will tell landlords that the contracts they signed are void. And then, if someone wants to rent your property who has a history of not paying rent, you’re not allowed to reject them.

    But as long as you bend the knee to DC, they’ll print the money to pay you.

    You better call congress now and tell them to reject this bill.

    The cure is worse than the disease.


    OPEN AMERICA NOW!

    WE DON"T NEED THE SBA DISASTER.

  • Accountant · Fairhope, AL · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 19 votes
    6y

    @Sam Cherry
    Wow. This deserves it own post. There are some crazy things in that bill. 

  • Investor · Phoenixville, PA · Member since 2014 · 75 posts · 11 votes
    6y

    Has anyone gotten beyond this point? After receiving the grant next step is supposed to be a loan offer. Has anyone gotten any offers?

  • Property Manager · Lindenhurst, IL · Member since 2016 · 854 posts · 506 votes
    6y

    I received $1,000 on 4/21, FYI. 

  • Real Estate Agent · Murfreesboro, TN · Member since 2019 · 194 posts · 181 votes
    6y

    @Paul Isaac daytrader? Puts? I also day trade, always looking to neet fellow traders

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2018 · 84 posts · 54 votes
    6y

    I received $2,000 yesterday (4/22), I applied under two LLCs. They ran my credit score a day before receiving the fund. Whoever received $10,000 must be super lucky! 

  • Investor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2017 · 108 posts · 18 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Jimmy Jiang:

    @Gregory Schwartz I was able to successfully apply the loan. I did not receive the full amount but I did get something. I would apply!

     how much did you get? 1k?

  • Rental Property Investor · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2016 · 393 posts · 995 votes
    6y

    I applied on 3/31 and have not received any funds as of yet.  I did get an email however from Experian stating that my credit was ran by: US SM BUS ADMIN ODA on 4/20, so maybe there's hope yet.

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