$10,000 SBA Loan / Grant

$10,000 SBA Loan / Grant

Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Anyone else applying for an SBA Economic Injury Disaster Loan? Based on what I've read in the Stimulus Bill we all might be eligible for a 10k grant advance.

"(e) Emergency grant

(1) In general: During the covered period, an entity included for eligibility in subsection (b), including small business concerns, private nonprofit organizations, and small agricultural cooperatives, that applies for a loan under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)) in response to COVID–19 may request that the Administrator provide an advance that is, subject to paragraph (3), in the amount requested by such applicant to such applicant within 3 days after the Administrator receives an application from such applicant.

(2)Verification: Before disbursing amounts under this subsection, the Administrator shall verify that the applicant is an eligible entity by accepting a self-certification from the applicant under penalty of perjury pursuant to section 1746 of title 28 United States Code.

(3) Amount: The amount of an advance provided under this subsection shall be not more than $10,000.

(4) Use of funds: An advance provided under this subsection may be used to address any allowable purpose for a loan made under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)), including—

(A) providing paid sick leave to employees unable to work due to the direct effect of the COVID–19;

(B) maintaining payroll to retain employees during business disruptions or substantial slowdowns;

(C) meeting increased costs to obtain materials unavailable from the applicant’s original source due to interrupted supply chains;

(D) making rent or mortgage payments; and

(E) repaying obligations that cannot be met due to revenue losses."

Those that are interested I applied at the sba.gov website 

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Member since 2019 · 13 posts · 24 votes
6y

Alright, I have an update, well, sort of. So I called the 1800 number of the SBA and talked to a rep after waiting about 1 hour. She was relatively nice. Following is the conversation:

Me: So I submitted the application Tuesday and I requested the $10,000 advance grant. Today's Friday. Where's my money, dawg? (just kidding, I did not say that last sentence)

Rep: It will take about 3 weeks before you get an email about your eligibility. 

Me: Huh? But Congress says 3 days in the law?

Rep: Well, the 3 days begins when we accept your application and process your eligibility , not when you submit it. (Now, I disagree. I think she's wrong, or the SBA is wrong). 

Me: OK, but Congress also said, I can still get the advance as a grant, even if I am later denied the loan. 

Rep: That is correct. That sure is a possibility (now we were on the phone, but I pretty sure I detected a "wink wink" here)

Me: So then why does it take 3 weeks? 

Rep: Because it does. Just keep watching your email and phone. They may email or phone you. 

Me: But I still don't understand... 

Rep: IT TAKES 3 WEEKS. KEEP WATCHING EMAILS. 

Me: Alright....

I am posting the text of the bill directly from Congress, and bold the relevant parts:

(e) Emergency Grant.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—During the covered period, an entity included for eligibility in subsection (b), including small business concerns, private nonprofit organizations, and small agricultural cooperatives, that applies for a loan under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)) in response to COVID–19 may request that the Administrator provide an advance that is, subject to paragraph (3), in the amount requested by such applicant to such applicant within 3 days after the Administrator receives an application from such applicant.

(2) VERIFICATION.—Before disbursing amounts under this subsection, the Administrator shall verify that the applicant is an eligible entity by accepting a self-certification from the applicant under penalty of perjury pursuant to section 1746 of title 28 United States Code.

(3) AMOUNT.—The amount of an advance provided under this subsection shall be not more than $10,000.

(4) USE OF FUNDS.—An advance provided under this subsection may be used to address any allowable purpose for a loan made under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(2)), including—

(A) providing paid sick leave to employees unable to work due to the direct effect of the COVID–19;

(B) maintaining payroll to retain employees during business disruptions or substantial slowdowns;

(C) meeting increased costs to obtain materials unavailable from the applicant’s original source due to interrupted supply chains;

(D) making rent or mortgage payments; and

(E) repaying obligations that cannot be met due to revenue losses.

(5) REPAYMENT.—An applicant shall not be required to repay any amounts of an advance provided under this subsection, even if subsequently denied a loan under section 7(b)(2) of the Small Business Act (15 U.S.C. 636(b)(

So, I think the SBA is full of crap. They are putting up red tapes that are nowhere to be found in the laws while Congress has written the laws in so black and white that it doesn't even leave any room for interpretation. So right now the SBA is saying:

1) We haven't received your application. It is not "received" until we review it. 

-> No way. The text of the law says nothing about reviewing. "within 3 days after the Administrator receives an application from such applicant". We have a confirmation number. That mean SBA receives it. Period. 

2) What is this reviewing for eligibility crap? Congress also says in black and white: "the Administrator shall verify that the applicant is an eligible entity by accepting a self-certification from the applicant under penalty of perjury"

-> We DID that self-certification in the application itself. That should be all that is required. 

--> Bottom line: I think they're playing games with us and the SBA is blatantly defying Congress. 

I think I am going to start writing to my Senators and Representatives. Let's make some noise

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  • Rental Property Investor · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2018 · 112 posts · 23 votes
    6y

    @Gregory Schwartz

    What was the name of the creditor that pulled it? I had a couple pulls from loan shopping.

  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
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    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @RJ Dixon funny you mention that. So I had an email indicating a drop in my credit score (I assumed this was from the SBA because a friend who also applied had his credit pulled by the SBA), but then when I dug into it to answer your questions...turns out there was never a credit pull. Or at least it hasn't been pulled yet. 

    The $1000 hit my account as "ACH SBAD TREAS 310 MISC PAY"

  • Burlington, KY · Member since 2013 · 58 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    I got the $1000 today too. Applied as soon as I heard about it from THIS THREAD. THANKS to the original poster.

    shows:



    ORIG CO NAME:SBAD TREAS 310 CO ENTRY DESCR: MISC PAY $1000

  • Burlington, KY · Member since 2013 · 58 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    By the way. I have 2 rental properties and no employees.

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2016 · 172 posts · 122 votes
    6y

    I just got the $1000 in my bank account!!! Anything helps.

  • Haymarket, VA · Member since 2016 · 45 posts · 10 votes
    6y

    For landlords that have received any funds, did you enter a loss amount? I have not received anything and put 0 as the loss amount bc at that time there had not been a loss.

  • Rental Property Investor · Central, FL · Member since 2016 · 950 posts · 821 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Michael Osborne:

    For landlords that have received any funds, did you enter a loss amount? I have not received anything and put 0 as the loss amount bc at that time there had not been a loss.

     Good question.  I had the same thing. Now I’ve lost money.  

  • Burlington, KY · Member since 2013 · 58 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    @Michael Osborne I did put a loss amount. I put about 20k in as loss and in the notes I put that the potential for losses from Tennant's who MAY not be able to pay and the inability to evict for a few months.

  • Burlington, KY · Member since 2013 · 58 posts · 65 votes
    6y

    @Eric C. You may still get it but they are about out of funds.

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    I got the $1000 this morning. For reference my credit was frozen and I filed on March 31st. 

    It took them a bit of time but hey - $1000 is nice to have. I have some wrought iron repair I'd like to have done on the front porch at my 4-unit and the $1000 can go toward that. 

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    Has anybody gotten their credit pulled from sba? If so any results afterwards? Asking because they pulled mines about 30 minutes ago...

  • Rental Property Investor · Huron, OH · Member since 2015 · 40 posts · 7 votes
    6y

    I got my credit pulled twice about a week ago and still have nothing. 

  • Property Manager · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2014 · 728 posts · 596 votes
    6y

    @Gregory Schwartz

    my accountant did mention this to me, but ihave not incurred any loses as of now

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    @Gregory Schwartz

    I applied for the EIDL “up to” $10,000 loan on 3/31. I am a self employed contractor, no employees. Heard nothing from SBA until I woke up this am to $1000 direct deposited into my business acct. No email no nothing. I have no idea about repayment terms etc.

    it’s very strange and disorganized it seems

  • Jessie ReddPro Member
    Flipper/Rehabber · Raleigh, NC · Member since 2018 · 57 posts · 26 votes
    6y

    @Gregory Schwartz

    Had anyone actually received it. Just curious.

  • Accountant · Fairhope, AL · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 19 votes
    6y

    @Jessie Redd

    Yes people have been receiving funds from both PPP and EIDL. 

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    has anyone who did the EIDL did you get more than the 1000 or that’s the basic everyone is getting? Also was your credit pulled?

  • Investor · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2017 · 108 posts · 18 votes
    6y

    Do we have to repay the 1k back or is it forgiveable?

  • Accountant · Fairhope, AL · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 19 votes
    6y

    @Genny Smith They are now saying it is $1k per employee and a business with 0 employees is considered self employed. 

    @Account Closed This portion of the EIDL is a grant so you do not have to pay it back. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Central, FL · Member since 2016 · 950 posts · 821 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Brian R.:

    @Eric C. You may still get it but they are about out of funds.

     I applied a while ago. However, my loses at the time were zero. Not so much now. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2017 · 719 posts · 658 votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Genny Smith:

    Has anybody gotten their credit pulled from sba? If so any results afterwards? Asking because they pulled mines about 30 minutes ago...

    Credit was pulled on Friday. Money was deposited today 

  • Member since 2020 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    6y

    @Irina Belkofer thank you letting me know :) maybe mines will be same results 

  • Rental Property Investor · Pinellas County, FL · Member since 2011 · 2 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    I applied for the EDL on March 31st. I used the online short form and claimed no employees and no losses. I did list myself and my wife as owners. On Monday I received an ACH from SBA for $2,000.00.

  • Prospect, KY · Member since 2017 · 39 posts · 13 votes
    6y

    I missed the application the first time....can I still apply? Or do I need to wait for the new bill to bass the house this Thursday and see if more money? Single member LLC...several tenants late and not sure on May.

    I do not see the link to apply for the EIDL?

    https://www.sba.gov/funding-pr...

  • Pensacola, FL · Member since 2015 · 17 posts · 8 votes
    6y

    Does your properties have to be in an LLC to be eligible?

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