Subdivision Development Costs

Subdivision Development Costs

Developer · Southern Idaho · Member since 2020 · 24 posts · 8 votes

I'm trying to tie up a 20'ish acre lot to do divide into a subdivision.  It is close to utilities (there is a subdivision adjoining the property).  It is within city limits too!  I've done research on the steps to subdividing but what appears hard to find is the costs of such a project.

Once I acquire the property I'll have to start from the beginning (platting, surveying, etc.) I have a basic idea on what the local application fees are BUT I have no idea how to assess the costs of roads and pulling in utilities.  Any suggestions on how I can derive that prior to getting the land?

The closest to "costs" I've found is someone mentioned that typical development costs are about $30,000/lot.  This was from a local realtor.

Also, I'm only going to have around $200,000 operating capital after I close on the property so I'll have to do the 60'ish lot subdivision in phases.  Any suggestions on how best to approach this project with so little upfront capital?  I'd HATE to get partially completed through a phase and run out of spending cash.

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Jay ComptonPro Member
Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 20 votes
5y

It's been about 9 months since your last post. I'm curious what happened with this project.

JC

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  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Recommend you do two calculations on two different subdivision layout approaches:

    a.  Traditional subdivision- put in road, underground utilities, etc.  Look at other subdivisions near you.  What size did they make their lots.  That is probably the size you have to do to both cover your capital costs and then make a profit.

    b.  Non traditional- take the 20 and based on road frontage, do double access entry ways.  See how many lots you can do per the city.  This will be a lot less fewer lots, but both your upfront capital costs will be way lower and your risk exposure over several years will be lower.  Let the new owners get the water and utilities.

    c.  Don't do a subdivision, just divide the land and sale with no subdivision rules.  This opens you to someone buying and building a bad property.  A Pink or lime green house in the middle.

    See Journeys End subdivision in Glenwood, Iowa.  We went with larger lots and little up front cost.

    Subdivision and entry way fees, maybe $1,000.

    Surveyor and attorney for plats and subdivision filing- $14,000 total.

    We did go ahead and put in concrete entry ways for a total of $10,000 for 5 entry ways.

    We owned the ground to begin with, thus we are only sitting on the $25,000 above to carry.

    Critical questions:

    1.  Fire hydrants- cost me $130,000 to bring one to a location in the city.  Do you need one close by.

    2.  Storm retention ponds and storm drainage system, any needed?  This will cut into your lots and add cost.  Storm drainage system cost me $150,000 at one site.

    3.  Water lines- are they truly in front of your land?

    4.  Utilities- how close are they?  You can get an estimate to bring them to your site from your electric company.  On to the site to lots, you will need your electrician to estimate.

    5.  How many access roads are you allowed across the face of the property.

    Check the above out first.  Then design the layout both ways.

    Do your layout.  Then do estimates.

    Road- city sets width and thickness.  Find those and give to a contractor, he can give you numbers easy.  Example:  have 1,000 foot, 6 inches, 25 foot wide with curbs on both sides.  Give me an estimate.

    Underground electric- same approach.

    Underground water/sewer- same approach.

    We had fun doing ours.  Pricing- overprice the most desirable lots.  See what deals you will make with contractors to build spec homes.  Estimate how many lots "won't" sale and build into your projections.

  • Developer · Southern Idaho · Member since 2020 · 24 posts · 8 votes
    5y

    First, thank you for the detailed response!  Here are my thoughts/comments responding to your comments.

    Regards to your subdivision ideas/options:

    * I am envisioning this property using your "a" idea. My thought is to put in a bunch of duplexes since my city comprehensive future plan mentions more multi-family affordable housing.

    * I don't know what you mean by "double access entry ways" (in your "b" idea).  The lot isn't square, it is more 2:1 rectangular.  So, if you mean to have a road running up each side and no "interior" roads I think I could manage that.  There is already a 1/2 road on one side and a road easement on the other side.

    * Your "c" idea is my fallback plan.  I might just get it all platted and cost calculated out.  Then approach local builders to sell off lots to.  We are in such a crunch for housing here I don't think this would leave me hanging.

    From my current research:

    * The water main goes right in front of the property, and has multiple hydrants. (And on my side of the road.)

    * The sewer is on the other side of the street but does run along the side of the property.  However, due to my researching it appears some sewer department services (an uplift station) will need to be upgraded.  (I can't imagine that will be cheap.)

    * I live in a desert (high desert) so we don't have excessive storms.  I don't think I'll need drainage captions ponds.  Who would I ask that of?

    * Power and Internet are running across the front of the property.

    * There is a full road across the front, and a 1/2 road along the side.  (The 1/2 road will need to be completed by me, should I get the land.)

    All that said, My concern is that my $200,000'ish funds for development might not make it!  Even if I do phases (build out close to where the utilities are now then repeat) I'm worried of running out of money.  Any thoughts on how to ensure I don't end up there?

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Double access is where the entry way is split in half for two houses, versus each having their own.

    Finance, you will need solid numbers and a plan to approach a bank. You will need to ask for a construction loan (interest only) for xx months, or till xx units are sold; then principal and interest payments.

    If you do a traditional subdivison, you have to put in the roads, underground water/sewer/electricity.  This is a lot of money, which you need to quantify.  Do your layout and talk with those trades.

    Example:

    Lets assume you do just one road with two entrances, one at each end.  20 acres if a rectangle is 1,320 feet long.  Use this figure for your roads, water, sewer, electric.

    Just making the following up:

    Road- 25 ft wide, 6 inches thick, before curbs.  I paid $450,000 for 1,800 feet for my storage units.  Your roughly $330,000

    Sewer/water/electric- wild guess $250,000

    Curbs and driveway entrances- on 60 units; $500,000

    Street lights- ?????

    Engineering plans- $80,000

    Total above- $1,160,000 not including land cost.

    Your realtor above $30,000 per lot times 60 lots= $1,800,000

    So your in the $2,000,000 ballpark for 60 lots= $33,000 per lot.

    Example: you plan to sell for $60,000 per lot;

    Possible profit of 60 lots; times $60,000 price less $33,000 cost= $1,620,000.  All of your lots won't sell in a reasonable price range or amount of time.  To sell this will probably take 10 years if your in a normal town.  You have to carry the interest and principal costs.  So you won't be earning the $1,620,000 in total.

    Another option is to take the 20 acres, which you have three sides with road access.  Divide it into 10 lots and sell each one for $100,000; since they are 2 acre lots.  Sales $1,000,000.  Less the land cost.  Less about $100,000 development costs.  You don't put any driveways, electric, water, sewer in.  Let them do it.

    Option 2:  Lets say it takes you 4 years to sell all of the lots.  You make $500,000 net on the project.

    Option 1: Versus say $1,200,000 above (after interest and 10 years exposure).

    Plus how much learning curve and mistakes do you need to go through.  Plus you won't make a "profit" on the larger subdivision until you have sold about 70% of the lots.  Your funds will be tied up for about 6 to 8 years.

    Take the above conceptual approach and firm up the numbers.

    Start small and make your Big Mistakes early.

  • Developer · Southern Idaho · Member since 2020 · 24 posts · 8 votes
    5y

    Once again, super thank you for the feedback!

    I am not going this 100% alone.  My agent is a seasoned land developer in this area for decades.  She has even suggested to a developer associate of hers to come in as a small partner with me to "mentor" me through the process.

    It is funny how the numbers you've just mocked up almost mirror my numbers!  That pleases me that my estimations aren't too far off.

    One place your estimates are different from mine is the timeline.  The market here is very hot (lots of positive pressure from out of state people moving in).  Right now it is almost impossible to find a lot to build on.  So, I estimate I should be able to complete this whole project in something more like a 3 year timeline.

    It is painfully obvious that I can't afford to develop out the whole subdivision in one go.  I'll have to do phases.  I noticed you didn't mention that.  Any reasoning why?  I should have been more exacting in my original post as I think this is where my question is focused.  Yes, the whole subdivision will cost $1.5-$2.0 million but that can be handled in phases methinks.  Or are you trying to tell me that I have to do it whole hog and I'm just to dense to pick it up.  :-)

    As an aside, I've *just* learned that the Seller has agreed to my offer!  Now is the time for me to dig deep into the due diligence!!!  Wish me luck!  (And thank you for the advice and conversation.  I'm TOTALLY open to more discussion on this!)

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Whole hog or partial.

    a.  Depends on your road and lot layouts.

    b.  Depends on your financing mechanism.  Does it have a construction loan portion to it.  Can you re-open it with the same bank and do another construction loan using the same collateral.  Example:  If you do an SBA loan, then your second phase will also have to be with them, unless you have more collateral to put in and can segregate the property as different subdivision lots.  Is your partnered committed to a second phase.

    c.  Partial, will end up with added costs.  Example if you could do the whole project for $2mm.  But instead split it.  You might add another $100k to $150k to the project.

    d.  If your fill out rate you estimate at 3 years, then you should build out the whole project at once.  If you thought 10 years, then you might phase.

    Sounds like your cooking.

  • Developer · Southern Idaho · Member since 2020 · 24 posts · 8 votes
    5y

    @Henry Clark

    Cooking? Probably not yet. But I’ve got my apron and trying to collect my ingredients! 😎

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Well try to grill some fish.

  • Developer · Southern Idaho · Member since 2020 · 24 posts · 8 votes
    5y

    @Henry Clark

    What in the world is that and why is it cross crossed sliced?

    Looks like you worked really hard to bring it in!

  • Henry ClarkPro Member
    Developer · Member since 2020 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    Its a Grouper down in Belize.  My buddy Noel went spear fishing with his friends.  They are unemployed since they are snorkel tour guides and no travel is allowed.  Its "scored" since they were getting reading to cook it over a fire on the beach.  The rest of the fish they will take back to town for their families.

  • Jay ComptonPro Member
    Member since 2018 · 19 posts · 20 votes
    5y

    It's been about 9 months since your last post. I'm curious what happened with this project.

    JC

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