Do I buy my parents home?

Do I buy my parents home?

New to Real Estate · Orange County. CA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes

My Parents divorced with a house worth approximately 600k. There's a 200k mortgage left. My mom wants $150kish to buy out her half of the house. Me and my father currently live in the house. He has enough $ for the rest of the 10 year mortgage + bills (Social Security, Retirments accts)

Would it be financially wise to buy out my mom in this situation or should I just let them sell my childhood home? Currently Zillow estimates 5% appreciation yearly of the house in the current neighborhood/city it's in.

I would own half the house for roughly 150-180kish and my dad would continue to pay off all the bills/mortgages. He has also reiterated that I would get the entire house later in life, contracts signed etc.

I'm in a strut and would love some help. I am liquid enough to pay her off but would be most of my savings. I'm young 20s so I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not in this situation. I really wanted to get into real estate investing soon so I am kinda scared to try and refinance and stuff and work out a mortgage with my name because I wanted to FHA a multifamily in a few years so I feel like giving her cash is my only option..

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Rental Property Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2020 · 380 posts · 588 votes
5y

@Account Closed this is a very tricky situation since it is family. I'd advise to pass. It is not a clean business transaction if you are purchasing from family and things could get murky later on. 

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  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    I don't know, this is about family more then finances. From the finances standpoint it is not the best move.  If you buy her half and then want to move out  what will you do with your share of the house.  Will you rent it ?  Will dad go for that?  do you have siblings? If you have siblings it is a bigger issue because there is no guarantee you will get your dads part of the house. Actually if he eventually goes into care then medicare rules will apply to his half of the house.  I think you need to think it through for the future scenario.  Unless you are in a highly appreciating area and you were buying the whole house it would make sense. 

    On the other hand you are living there and that has an impact. Rent and the way you are living are also a big contributor here.  you would need to find a place to live if they sell the house to split it.  You are possibly getting a discount on sale too.  You aren't paying the other bills either.  As far as a mortgage you can get one and move and still get another down the road but that is based on income so if there is no income to offset your portion it is going to be a problem down the road if you get a mortgage.

  • Rental Property Investor · Cincinnati, OH · Member since 2020 · 380 posts · 588 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed this is a very tricky situation since it is family. I'd advise to pass. It is not a clean business transaction if you are purchasing from family and things could get murky later on. 

  • Rental Property Investor · TN · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    5y

    Unless your dad is very elderly and you are an only child I would pass.  You will end up loosing access to that $150k for a very long time.

    You have to think of all scenarios.  You dads gets a girlfriend with kids or they have kids together.  GF may want you out of the house and make you miserable.  Kids may be rude, awful to share bath with, etc.  Dad is not going to move and wont buy you out.  He has new family expenses.  You will wait until dad dies to get your money out of that house---and then HOPE he does not give a life estate to GF.

    Another scenario--you get married.  Do you still want to live with dad?  Is the house big enough for his new family and your family?  Sharing  kitchen gets old fast!

    Another--dad gets in an accident and is sued.  A court may take the equity of the house for a judgement.  More often judges are negotiating $ restitution instead of jail time.

  • Real Estate Investor · Williamson County, TX · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 961 votes
    5y

    @Kade Robertson If your dad is not in a position to refinance and buy out your mother then they need to sell and split the proceeds. There is no way this is an investment "opportunity" even though your mother appears to be giving you a 50k discount. The deal is illiquid to you. At your age you need liquidity, flexibility...one reason why a lot of your age group chooses to rent. It is worth paying rent to stay liquid...unless you were able to a mass that much money due to living rent free and you feel you owe back rent in a sense. Then do what you see as right.

  • Derreck WellsPro Member
    Specialist · Pelham, NH · Member since 2013 · 544 posts · 269 votes
    5y

    @Account Closed What I haven't seen anyone mention here is this is a great opportunity. This is a house with $400k in equity built in. If your dad is on board with your investing, you can pay off Mom and take 1/2 ownership of the house. Then take a HELOC for $380,000ish (80% of the equity) and double your liquidity to buy small multi-families.

    Then buy a multi-family (for cash) and use the income from the rentals to pay the HELOC until you can refi the multifamily and pay off the HELOC. (BRRRR it.) You can essentially use the multi to pay off Dad's house so that he can not have to worry about a mortgage for the rest of his life. Have him write a will leaving you his half of the house or sign a quit claim deed now so the entire house is yours. You can structure it so you take possession upon his death or when he moves out, whichever comes first.

    It's a win/win/win. Your Mom gets her $150k, Dad gets his mortgage paid off and can live comfortably for the rest of his life, and you get a revolving line of credit against the house that you can tap over and over again to BRRRR properties. You will be set for life.

    The best part here is you get to help Mom and Dad through this difficult time in their lives. There is no better feeling than giving back to those that gave you everything.

  • Member since 2020 · 82 posts · 100 votes
    5y

    @Derreck Wells although you made a great point, everyone else is trying to point out the other problems that may occur in the future. Often times when you have family members involve in the mixed, the rules get complicated...heck everything gets so blurry & complex. It is also tough to predict the future. @Account Closed only you have the answer to this. What do you want to achieve in near future? $150k can be the start of your future. You could invest that money in stocks or RE as a starter on your own.

    The questions to ask yourself: are you doing this to help out your family or trying to get ahead in life? Are you living in a well performing area? Will the equity increases every year? How's your dad relationship with you? Don't feel like you have to reach out to help. You didn't get into this mess. This is between your dad & mom. I would best stay away & let them resolve on their own.

  • Derreck WellsPro Member
    Specialist · Pelham, NH · Member since 2013 · 544 posts · 269 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nadia O.:

    @Derreck Wells although you made a great point, everyone else is trying to point out the other problems that may occur in the future. Often times when you have family members involve in the mixed, the rules get complicated...heck everything gets so blurry & complex. It is also tough to predict the future. @Account Closed only you have the answer to this. What do you want to achieve in near future? $150k can be the start of your future. You could invest that money in stocks or RE as a starter on your own.

    The questions to ask yourself: are you doing this to help out your family or trying to get ahead in life? Are you living in a well performing area? Will the equity increases every year? How's your dad relationship with you? Don't feel like you have to reach out to help. You didn't get into this mess. This is between your dad & mom. I would best stay away & let them resolve on their own.

     That's the best part Nadia, he can do both, help his parents AND get ahead in life. He has the PERFECT opportunity here. 

  • New to Real Estate · Orange County. CA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Colleen F.:

    I don't know, this is about family more then finances. From the finances standpoint it is not the best move.  If you buy her half and then want to move out  what will you do with your share of the house.  Will you rent it ?  Will dad go for that?  do you have siblings? If you have siblings it is a bigger issue because there is no guarantee you will get your dads part of the house. Actually if he eventually goes into care then medicare rules will apply to his half of the house.  I think you need to think it through for the future scenario.  Unless you are in a highly appreciating area and you were buying the whole house it would make sense. 

    On the other hand you are living there and that has an impact. Rent and the way you are living are also a big contributor here.  you would need to find a place to live if they sell the house to split it.  You are possibly getting a discount on sale too.  You aren't paying the other bills either.  As far as a mortgage you can get one and move and still get another down the road but that is based on income so if there is no income to offset your portion it is going to be a problem down the road if you get a mortgage.

     Hi! Thank you for your response I greatly appreciate it. As I am using some of these responses to make a big future decision! Regarding the house I can basically move out at any time - dad would continue to pay the bills. I do have one sibiling so that could cause problems further down the road. I was not aware of medicare and getting sued etc to factor into the equation. That totally slipped my mind and I was not even aware that was possible. 

  • New to Real Estate · Orange County. CA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Lynnette E.:

    Unless your dad is very elderly and you are an only child I would pass.  You will end up loosing access to that $150k for a very long time.

    You have to think of all scenarios.  You dads gets a girlfriend with kids or they have kids together.  GF may want you out of the house and make you miserable.  Kids may be rude, awful to share bath with, etc.  Dad is not going to move and wont buy you out.  He has new family expenses.  You will wait until dad dies to get your money out of that house---and then HOPE he does not give a life estate to GF.

    Another scenario--you get married.  Do you still want to live with dad?  Is the house big enough for his new family and your family?  Sharing  kitchen gets old fast!

    Another--dad gets in an accident and is sued.  A court may take the equity of the house for a judgement.  More often judges are negotiating $ restitution instead of jail time.

    Hi! Thank you for your response I greatly appreciate it. As I am using some of these responses to make a big future decision. My dad is 60+ and I really do not see him getting a GF anytime soon LOL. I can always move out and find my own place regarding marriage and dating, etc. My thought process behind this was simply mom gets her half, dad is still comfortable in his own home, and I can always fall back on a home if needed. Plus the house will continue to appreciate and will be a good asset to me and my family if anything were serious to happen. 

  • New to Real Estate · Orange County. CA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Marian Smith:

    @Kade Robertson If your dad is not in a position to refinance and buy out your mother then they need to sell and split the proceeds. There is no way this is an investment "opportunity" even though your mother appears to be giving you a 50k discount. The deal is illiquid to you. At your age you need liquidity, flexibility...one reason why a lot of your age group chooses to rent. It is worth paying rent to stay liquid...unless you were able to a mass that much money due to living rent free and you feel you owe back rent in a sense. Then do what you see as right.

    Hi Marian, thanks for the response. In my eyes it would be an investment and helping family at the same time. Mom gets her half, father stays in home comfortably. The mortgage has <10 years  and the house continues to appreciate. I do agree I would be strapped with my $$ inside the house for at least 10 years but if the house appreciates to 700-800k and we sell then, I can get my money back + some and father would have a hefty retirement from the selling as well. The only downfall is the illequid part.

  • New to Real Estate · Orange County. CA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Derreck Wells:

    @Account Closed What I haven't seen anyone mention here is this is a great opportunity. This is a house with $400k in equity built in. If your dad is on board with your investing, you can pay off Mom and take 1/2 ownership of the house. Then take a HELOC for $380,000ish (80% of the equity) and double your liquidity to buy small multi-families.

    Then buy a multi-family (for cash) and use the income from the rentals to pay the HELOC until you can refi the multifamily and pay off the HELOC. (BRRRR it.) You can essentially use the multi to pay off Dad's house so that he can not have to worry about a mortgage for the rest of his life. Have him write a will leaving you his half of the house or sign a quit claim deed now so the entire house is yours. You can structure it so you take possession upon his death or when he moves out, whichever comes first.

    It's a win/win/win. Your Mom gets her $150k, Dad gets his mortgage paid off and can live comfortably for the rest of his life, and you get a revolving line of credit against the house that you can tap over and over again to BRRRR properties. You will be set for life.

    The best part here is you get to help Mom and Dad through this difficult time in their lives. There is no better feeling than giving back to those that gave you everything.

     Thanks so much for the response Derreck! I actually am considering your option but I do have a few questions. One is would my name have to be on the title/mortgage to be able to pull out equity like that? Even if I only own 50% of the property? The mortgage has only 10 years left on it and I am considering buying my mom out. I just do not want to be illiquid and be able to pull money out to get these multi family properties like stated. I am assuming there is alot more to it and the decision time I have is coming down to a couple of days now.  

  • New to Real Estate · Orange County. CA · Member since 2020 · 26 posts · 6 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Nadia O.:

    @Derreck Wells although you made a great point, everyone else is trying to point out the other problems that may occur in the future. Often times when you have family members involve in the mixed, the rules get complicated...heck everything gets so blurry & complex. It is also tough to predict the future. @Account Closed only you have the answer to this. What do you want to achieve in near future? $150k can be the start of your future. You could invest that money in stocks or RE as a starter on your own.

    The questions to ask yourself: are you doing this to help out your family or trying to get ahead in life? Are you living in a well performing area? Will the equity increases every year? How's your dad relationship with you? Don't feel like you have to reach out to help. You didn't get into this mess. This is between your dad & mom. I would best stay away & let them resolve on their own.

    Hi! Thanks for your response. I am trying to help my family and also get ahead. The property is increasing every year and is water front. 600k is way below asking and the neighbors house just sold for 790k and is pretty similar. I have a really strong relationship with my dad and I believe if this deal is structured properly it would be a win win for everybody.  

  • Real Estate Investor · Williamson County, TX · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 961 votes
    5y

    How large is the house?  How much would a smaller house cost?  How old is the house?  How well maintained?  Someone living in a 600k house needs help?  Did your parents divorce over financial issues?  How will you hold title to the house?  Has a lawyer drafted an agreement saying you will own 50%, that you do not have to pay taxes, insurance or maintenance to preserve your 50% ownership and that your father can buy out your share at purchase price plus 5% annual appreciation.  or whatever.  Plus, if your father cannot refinance and buy out your mother, doesn't that mean a bank does not believe he can afford the house?   Most people eventually find it more comfortable to live within their means...less stressful.  Did you acquire such a large sum of money because you have a high paying job, then you can probably afford to do as you please.  There is more money where that came from.  Buy the house but mentally file it as a gift of sorts.  Get on the deed, etc, but don't expect the money back during your fathers lifetime.

  • Derreck WellsPro Member
    Specialist · Pelham, NH · Member since 2013 · 544 posts · 269 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

     Thanks so much for the response Derreck! I actually am considering your option but I do have a few questions. One is would my name have to be on the title/mortgage to be able to pull out equity like that? Even if I only own 50% of the property? The mortgage has only 10 years left on it and I am considering buying my mom out. I just do not want to be illiquid and be able to pull money out to get these multi family properties like stated. I am assuming there is alot more to it and the decision time I have is coming down to a couple of days now.  

    A HELOC is a separate loan, the existing mortgage doesn't need to be in your name, nor does the HELOC for that matter.

  • Investor · USA · Member since 2015 · 325 posts · 447 votes
    5y

    @Kade Robertson

    Why not go the simplest route and buy the house from your parents. You already have 50% of the asking price. Work something out with your dad.

    The main reason I bring this up is losing the ability to leverage your primary home makes things really hard from an investment standpoint. You can't do a HELOC, cashout refi, or show it as an asset on a personal financial statement.

    50% down is pretty hefty on any investment and the money will become pretty illiquid at that point. You could be into the house around 60k (20% of 300k) and have a lot more options.

  • Member since 2020 · 82 posts · 100 votes
    5y

    @Kai Van Leuven you need to at least have your name in title. Remember you still have another sibling. Things will get complicated if you don't have legal documents to support hearsay. Trust me...money changes everything. A friend of mine is having the same problem with family inheritance right now. Everyone in the family wants a piece of grandma's money and grandma isn't dead yet!...its mind blowing. Grandma wants to give the money to her fav people in the family. There are big (HUGE) arguments in the family...no family thanksgiving & christmas this year LOL. Again, money brings the ugliness to all. Do it for the sake of less headache in the future.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    5y

    @Account Closed  any money you put in you need to get your name on the title. You can't add your name to the mortgage. You could get a Helco on the house if your name is on the title. 

    Also look at your local inheritance laws if your dad doesn't  have a will to see what happens to the property. States differ. Whatever you do the sibling needs to be looped in on the information while your dad is alive. It will make your life much easier down the road. 

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