Hypothetical Scenario Involving a Hard Money Loan

Hypothetical Scenario Involving a Hard Money Loan

Providence, RI · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes

Hey BP!

I want to run a hypothetical scenario by you to help me clarify if I have a realistic investment idea. I've been wanting to get into real estate investing in my area starting out with a house hack. The issue I'm having is that my recent work history hasn't been stellar with the pandemic and all. I left a full time job Sept of 2019 to pursue a more flexible lifestyle as a freelancer where the compensation was similar, if not better than my FT gig. Most that work went away with the Pandemic. Then, in October of last year, I was able to land a new w-2 gig which is looking like a long term employment opportunity. For obvious reasons, traditional financing has been a challenge to find so far.

The 3 family I currently rent in will likely be hitting the market in May, which and has really piqued my interest as its located in an up and coming neighborhood and have solid rental income. I'd really like to make a move on it but my lack of access to traditional funding is forcing me to get creative.

I was wondering if it would be unwise for me to use a Hard Money Loan to purchase the house and then try and refinance onto to a more traditional type loan?

Could I started building a relationship with a lender today in hopes to work with them over the next year to understand their requirements and qualifications and show them my earnings in 2022 with the goal of refinancing out of Hard Money?   

Specs:

3 fam 7 bed 3 bath listing for $525k

Comp rents in neighborhood :

Apt 1: $1350/m

    Apt 2: $1350/m

    Apt 3: $1400/m

    Total: $4100

    I have access to a hard money loan potentially in the 8-9% range 

    I have 100k in liquid assets

    40k invested in another real estate endeavor receiving 12% 

    My new w-2 gig is hourly at roughly $25/hr

    The conservative side of me thinks it may be an aggressive plan that is taking on unnecessary interest payments (at least 40k/year)

    The advantageous side, however, can't look past a what a hidden gem of asset this could be. As house like this likely won't be available at this price next year. 

    My hope is if all goes well, the income from rents will cover the interests owed after 1 year and I can refi out into a lower interest financing. I know its a HUGE if regarding the refi step and, well, the whole plan..but I'd figure I'd at least ask BP

    Thanks in advanced for any advice.

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    • Real Estate Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2014 · 78 posts · 41 votes
      5y

      William,

      Ask yourself this- what is the monthly expense you are trying to meet.

      Is there anything besides proximity that is pushing you to invest in this deal?

      If it meets your ROI requirements do that but on the face of it ...I am not seeing any expense calculations.

      TIMMUR Taxes, Insurance, Maintenance,Management,Utilities and Reserves.

      If you KEPT your day gig and used the rents to pay off the mortgage you can't with a hard money loan as it will be

      interest only. 

      If you did BRRRRs in a different place (midwest or southwest) with your 100k you would be MUCH better off with a lower risk profile and much better numbers.

      My 0.02$.

      HTH,

      Tapan

    • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
      5y

      You say its 3 units , but you are 1 of those tenant . So take that out of the numbers . hard money will kill you .  If you are $100K liquid , approach the owner with $80K down and they hold the note . 

      But not knowing how its set up , and all the expenses . Just on its face it seems too skinny for my taste . Its about $2k short a month for me 

    • Providence, RI · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes
      5y

      @Matthew Paul I would have a roommate paying half for that 3rd unit and potentially will move in with GF to be able to rent out all 3 units. 

      When you mention approaching the owners with with 80k, would that be in the form of owner financing? Thats something I've considered and am looking to learn more about too

    • Providence, RI · Member since 2019 · 11 posts · 2 votes
      5y

      ***Correction - Seller Financing

    • Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
      5y

      Ask the seller to take your $80K down and they finance the rest 

    • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 254 posts · 228 votes
      5y

      @William McCarthy I don't see any huge flaws with your premise. Seller financing might be your best bet, otherwise known as contract for deed. You could also do a lease option to lock in the price and assure you have exclusive rights to buy it when the time comes. Involving a RE attorney or title company from the beginning might be smart so that you have all your ducks in a row when you present options to the seller. 

      I might think a bit more about the price of this asset. Take this with a grain of salt given I don't know your area at all. At a 0.7 rent to price ratio I can't see how you'd be cash flowing. For me to consider this it'd really need to be a strong appreciation play, right in the path of progress, etc, or a place you want to be your long term primary residence because you personally like living there, otherwise I'd personally focus on a more distressed asset at a lower price I could add value to. Just my 2 cents. 

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