50/50 ownership property but responsible for ALL debt to Lenders.

50/50 ownership property but responsible for ALL debt to Lenders.

Member since 2021 · 6 posts · 2 votes

Hey biggerpockets forum, 


I am currently looking to get into my second multi family home. My first property is a multi family joint owned between me and my business partner, we have an equal stake in the property. Naturally we split the income on our Tax Returns, but have never had to pay a mortgage payment out of pocket, our tenants cover the entirety of the mortgage payment. 

In trying to get my second multi family I am working with a lender that is currently running my income and debt numbers. For their calculations the lenders are making me responsible for the ENTIRE debt sum of the first property (not half). Which I totally understand, considering their reasoning is if something where to happen to my business partner I would then be responsible for the whole mortgage payment. However, they are only allowing HALF of the income (mine) to be valid income. When in their "worst case" scenario of the other business partner not being a factor, I then would inherit ALL of the income and it wouldn't be an issue. 

I'm curious is this is a standard of ALL lenders? Or is this lender just not really making sense? Are there ways to work around this? To me it would seem that the debt from the first property should almost be null and void considering it doesn't effect my current income in any fashion. 

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  • Robin SimonBusiness Member
    Lender · Austin, TX · Member since 2022 · 5k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    4y

    If you are doing a conventional financing, then they are likely following the same rulebook and methodology on your income as everyone else since it all needs to qualify for Agency financing. However, it sounds like a "DSCR Loan" may make more sense for your situation, you and your partner would both guaranty the loan, but it would be completely limited to making up any balance post-foreclosure etc (so remote). Also, there is a much lighter qualification (doesn't look at your income or any other debts at all to qualify)

  • Brandon BeardtPro Member
    Lender · La Crescenta, CA · Member since 2021 · 261 posts · 157 votes
    4y
    Quote from @Jason Fontes:

    Hey biggerpockets forum, 


    I am currently looking to get into my second multi family home. My first property is a multi family joint owned between me and my business partner, we have an equal stake in the property. Naturally we split the income on our Tax Returns, but have never had to pay a mortgage payment out of pocket, our tenants cover the entirety of the mortgage payment. 

    In trying to get my second multi family I am working with a lender that is currently running my income and debt numbers. For their calculations the lenders are making me responsible for the ENTIRE debt sum of the first property (not half). Which I totally understand, considering their reasoning is if something where to happen to my business partner I would then be responsible for the whole mortgage payment. However, they are only allowing HALF of the income (mine) to be valid income. When in their "worst case" scenario of the other business partner not being a factor, I then would inherit ALL of the income and it wouldn't be an issue. 

    I'm curious is this is a standard of ALL lenders? Or is this lender just not really making sense? Are there ways to work around this? To me it would seem that the debt from the first property should almost be null and void considering it doesn't effect my current income in any fashion. 


     Hi Jason,

    Congrats on identifying your second multi fam! Unfortunately, this is very common when trying to go the conventional financing route. Conventional lenders will ALWAYS go with the worst of the worst case scenarios. Out of curiosity - how does your DTI look in that current scenario? Are you still able to qualify given your DTI? If not, there are other brokers/lenders that work with alternative financing programs that may be able to help you out. Programs that wouldn't look at your DTI or anything in those regards. Qualification would simply be based on the asset's income itself. If you're still able to qualify with DTI and prefer the conventional financing route, then you should go for it. Just know there are always other options available.

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