Getting a Loan without putting 30% down if the appraisal is highh

Getting a Loan without putting 30% down if the appraisal is highh

Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes

We are purchasing a fourplex and a lot for 400,000 in Oregon.  Our accountant had the great idea to separate the plex and lot, and to purchase the lot for 150,000, holding it in our profit sharing account.  So the price of the 4plex is now 250,000 which will greatly increase our cash flow.  The home will likely still appraise for around 350,000.  The bank (Umpqua) is telling us that we will still need to put 80,000 down.  The plan is to borrow it from ourselves, (401k or profit sharing acct) and then refinance, as that is what Umpqua says we need to do.  

Is there another bank that will give us an initial loan factoring in the appraisal or are we stuck refinancing to get our  borrowed funds back?  The 80,000 will cost us around 1500.00 a month, and then of course there is the fact that we are paying all the fees twice.  

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Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
10y

All institutional lenders will use the lesser of appraised value or contract price as the value they are lending on for a purchase mortgage.

If the appraisal says $50,000,000 but the contract says $250k, it's going to be lent on based on a value of $250k.

After six months, you can refinance and the then-current appraised value will be used. 

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  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    10y

    All institutional lenders will use the lesser of appraised value or contract price as the value they are lending on for a purchase mortgage.

    If the appraisal says $50,000,000 but the contract says $250k, it's going to be lent on based on a value of $250k.

    After six months, you can refinance and the then-current appraised value will be used. 

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Well Shoot!  That's what we are hearing...  Thank you for taking the time to reply.  

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @Gail Woung  yup  loan to cost..

    is it in the metro area ?  that's a good price for a 4 plex and lot if its in good condition and in the metro area.  congrats if it is.

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    No, it is in Lincoln City. But both the plex and the lot have a view of the ocean.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @Gail Woung  cool... I had a project behind the outlet mall. started and the perfectly wrong time.

    07  60 unit townhouse project we built 6 and sold those and still have the land waiting for the rebound Oregon coast is still pretty soft compared to RED hot PDX metro.

    But on the rental side I still get calls on my old sign there that is laying in the weeds asking if I have any rentals.. LOL.

    we were originally going to build a 120 unit apartment complex but rents did not justify build cost.

    Oregon Coast is a very tough place to build I would never do it again. we tried another one up in Seaside built 3 specs they sold but sub contractor management was a NIGHTMARE.. never again for me personally..

    good luck with it... you will have ZERO problem with your rental I bet

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 38 posts · 24 votes
    10y

    Might want to check with a retirement account attorney. If you plan to manage the property yourself, you've likely got a prohibited transaction that can ruin your IRA's preferential tax treatment.

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2015 · 4 posts · 0 votes
    10y

    Thank you Matt, Will do.  That would not be a good thing!

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