First Deal as Lender - Low CLTV but 2nd Position?

First Deal as Lender - Low CLTV but 2nd Position?

Investor · Plainville, MA · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 9 votes
At a recent BP MeetUp, I met an investor looking for private funds for a fix and flip. Here are the particulars: ARV: $600k conservatively Acquisition Cost: $300k (probate deal) Rehab Cost: $150k. Will take approx 6 months. The house won't be ready until the dead of winter (always a concern in Boston), but the property is located in a white hot market. The rehabber also sent me their portfolio of prior deals; they have done 20 deals since 2015, though this project is the first at this price range. They have a HML for the $300k acquisition cost, and they are looking for funds to finance the rehab. I explained that I'm not comfortable lending the full amount, but if they had 10% skin in the game I'd consider it. @Jay Hinrichs mentioned in his recent podcast to avoid going into second position at all costs. Being my first deal as a private lender, I have obvious concerns about being in 2nd position, but the CLTV is so low, I'm strongly considering this opportunity. What questions should I be asking myself to further evaluate this? Should being in a junior position simply be a deal breaker for me? Thanks for any and all input
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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
9y

second position lending for big rehab and construction is to be avoided by all but the most experienced.

it could all work out fine .. but when it does not then you are in a world class mess and you just start asking yourself why did I do that.

what interest rate is he willing to pay.

you can get perfectly good first positions in the 10 to 12% range if that's all they are offering then its a HARD no in my mind.

what can happen

1. company gets over extended and now they can't pay you and the first forecloses and you need to come up with the money to pay the first off to protect your position.. do you have the 300k and most likely in the default scenario much more than 300k as there will be default interest and other charges

2. they don't pay subs like they are suppose to.. again huge risk.

rehab lending is quite risky even in first position.. unless you get below 75% ARV in first.

this loan you described does not have a lot of equity... take out holding costs and sales cost and the 150k in equity is cut in half..

if your going to do this your really an equity partner and deserve 30 to 50% of the profit not an interest rate.. and interest rate on this loan would be by someone who does not know any better.. but now you do.. !!!  good luck

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  • Investor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2017 · 20 posts · 6 votes
    9y

    How much research have you done on this lender?

  • Investor · Plainville, MA · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 9 votes
    9y
    My apologies, I may not have been clear in my description. In this case, I'd be the lender in 2nd position.
  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    second position lending for big rehab and construction is to be avoided by all but the most experienced.

    it could all work out fine .. but when it does not then you are in a world class mess and you just start asking yourself why did I do that.

    what interest rate is he willing to pay.

    you can get perfectly good first positions in the 10 to 12% range if that's all they are offering then its a HARD no in my mind.

    what can happen

    1. company gets over extended and now they can't pay you and the first forecloses and you need to come up with the money to pay the first off to protect your position.. do you have the 300k and most likely in the default scenario much more than 300k as there will be default interest and other charges

    2. they don't pay subs like they are suppose to.. again huge risk.

    rehab lending is quite risky even in first position.. unless you get below 75% ARV in first.

    this loan you described does not have a lot of equity... take out holding costs and sales cost and the 150k in equity is cut in half..

    if your going to do this your really an equity partner and deserve 30 to 50% of the profit not an interest rate.. and interest rate on this loan would be by someone who does not know any better.. but now you do.. !!!  good luck

  • Investor · Plainville, MA · Member since 2016 · 25 posts · 9 votes
    9y
    /genuflects Jay - thank you a million times over.
  • Investor · Miami Beach, FL · Member since 2016 · 486 posts · 216 votes
    9y

    I will respond to your question with a few questions that will give you food for thought and it should be in your lending DD list:

    1. Are you going to advance buyer $150,000 in one shot at closing or shortly after closing?

    2. How are you going to Make sure that the $150,000 you lend will be spend on the house?

    3. How much down is the borrower putting with the HML (fist position)?

    If borrower puts 30% down, that is $90,000 and you giving him $150,000. So borrower is $60,000 ahead at this point. 

    4. How many ongoing project is the borrower doing at the same time? Is it just one or one/two others?

    5. What if the project goes thru demo stage and the rest of the work never gets done? The value of the property is deminished and it's now worth less then $300,000.

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