Getting into big project now and then the market tanks

Getting into big project now and then the market tanks

Investor · Dublin, OH · Member since 2015 · 75 posts · 24 votes

Dear fellow investors,

I am in the process of deciding whether to get into a big (at least big for me) deal within the next month or 2. This project will run in the 3 million range. The plan is a typical BRRRR, that is to buy an under performing property in a great area and bring it up to market standards,refinance and hold it for long term. The project is supposed to take between 18 and 24 months for the full turnaround. As part of my risk avoidance/Exit strategy analysis, I was taking into account the possibility of a market correction or a deeper financial trouble around the 18 or 24 month mark. I have never owned or dealt with real estate during the 2008 crash.

My question is: Will the lending institutions close their doors on all lending programs or most lending programs during such a time and make it difficult for me to re-position the property (even if the deal was looking great from a lending perspective)? 

This is a question to those who had tried to refinance a mid-size property during the financial crisis as well as to the bankers and lenders out there who were still lending during those crazy times.

Hope to hear your thoughts.

DK

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Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 3 votes
8y

There is a big difference between the market softening and a bubble bursting. The requirements for loans today as oppose to the 1990's is night and day. Banks would lend 110% of the value of your home!!! I think you should always be prepared for the possibility of a slowing, but the bubble scenario doesn't seem to be in place right now.

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  • Phoenix, AZ · Member since 2018 · 25 posts · 10 votes
    8y
    @Dhanush Kondoth Hi Dhanush, First off, best of luck with this deal! I think the banks are more prepared this go around with a market correction so it will be difficult to compare last recession with an impending correction today. My opinion is: As long as you have equity and have a relationship with the bank, you should be fine when looking to refinance. Of course this is all predicated on you having equity after you’re done. If you do have good occupancy, payment history, and equity, any bank would most likely be happy to refinance with you.
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    Lender · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 277 votes
    8y

    @Dhanush Kondoth

    If you buy right, then this shouldn't be an issue. If you're over leveraged, like I've even seen some investor clients do in the current market, then you're going to have a large issue. But I think lending standards are going to continue to open or stay open, so if your project is solid, you should have a problem finding financing, when going to refinance. I have run into this conversation a lot lately with my clients who do ground up construction in CA. And all I can say just buy right and build right and we'll be okay. People are still buying homes, will continue to keep buying, and need somewhere to stay (in your case with the BRRRR).

    Where is the project that you're looking at handling?

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  • Investor · Dublin, OH · Member since 2015 · 75 posts · 24 votes
    8y

    @Account Closed

    Thank you for your inputs. The equity should be there when I do the take out loan. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 893 votes
    8y

    @Dhanush Kondoth


    My U.S. Bank commercial lender has been around 30 years and he SWEARS that they were one of the only major banking institutions that never stopped writing commercial loans during the last crash, because they underwrote deals very carefully in 05-07. I'm sure you can find someone who still lends... just make sure you don't run into trouble with valuation and income, so run both these sets of numbers conservatively!


    Start building a relationship with a bank that operated through the last crash now! The more conservative banks are probably the ones that won't get burnt if this market does go down the toilet. The Wells Fargos of the world are super bullish in high markets and got burnt hard in 2008.

  • Member since 2018 · 3 posts · 3 votes
    8y

    There is a big difference between the market softening and a bubble bursting. The requirements for loans today as oppose to the 1990's is night and day. Banks would lend 110% of the value of your home!!! I think you should always be prepared for the possibility of a slowing, but the bubble scenario doesn't seem to be in place right now.

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