Investment Home Refinance - "Front-End" Debt-to-Income Ratio

Investment Home Refinance - "Front-End" Debt-to-Income Ratio

Investor · NH · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 61 votes

Scenario - one private home; multiple investment properties - when attempting to re-finance a hard money loan for ONE investment property, in terms of the "front-end" ratio (which I understand to be max 28%), does the mortgage/tax/insurance debt used for that calculation ONLY come from the home being refinanced?  ...or do they take ALL properties and calculate them against ALL gross monthly and business income expense?  It seems like the latter would be the case, but I know those calculations become complicated, especially if some properties are co-owned, within first year of lease, etc.

Looking for that elusive "Investor Grade" NJ-based Mortgage broker to help get out of an 8% hard money loan that pops in 15 months!  ...courtesy of CPA being "too good" at taking advantage of business expenses...

...last year I discovered the concept of "equity, equity everywhere, but not a dime to touch" when DTI is high...

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Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
7y
Originally posted by @Jim Froehlich:

Scenario - one private home; multiple investment properties - when attempting to re-finance a hard money loan for ONE investment property, in terms of the "front-end" ratio (which I understand to be max 28%), does the mortgage/tax/insurance debt used for that calculation ONLY come from the home being refinanced?  ...or do they take ALL properties and calculate them against ALL gross monthly and business income expense?  It seems like the latter would be the case, but I know those calculations become complicated, especially if some properties are co-owned, within first year of lease, etc.

Looking for that elusive "Investor Grade" NJ-based Mortgage broker to help get out of an 8% hard money loan that pops in 15 months!  ...courtesy of CPA being "too good" at taking advantage of business expenses...

...last year I discovered the concept of "equity, equity everywhere, but not a dime to touch" when DTI is high...

 You don't really see investment property mortgage applications denied due to front end ratio.

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  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Jim Froehlich:

    Scenario - one private home; multiple investment properties - when attempting to re-finance a hard money loan for ONE investment property, in terms of the "front-end" ratio (which I understand to be max 28%), does the mortgage/tax/insurance debt used for that calculation ONLY come from the home being refinanced?  ...or do they take ALL properties and calculate them against ALL gross monthly and business income expense?  It seems like the latter would be the case, but I know those calculations become complicated, especially if some properties are co-owned, within first year of lease, etc.

    Looking for that elusive "Investor Grade" NJ-based Mortgage broker to help get out of an 8% hard money loan that pops in 15 months!  ...courtesy of CPA being "too good" at taking advantage of business expenses...

    ...last year I discovered the concept of "equity, equity everywhere, but not a dime to touch" when DTI is high...

     You don't really see investment property mortgage applications denied due to front end ratio.

  • Lender · Hackensack, NJ · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 372 votes
    7y

    We are based in NJ..  Ei8ht Street Funding

    And as far as calculating DSCR it will be based on the property that is being refinanced only.

    Not all Lenders calculate DTI so the numbers on the other properties wouldn't come into play

  • Investor · NH · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 61 votes
    7y

    Thanks @Tarik Turner and @Chris Mason for the info and feedback!  I'll only spend time thinking about the back end (especially since tax season is here!) 

  • Stephanie MedellinBusiness Member
    Mortgage Broker · CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 644 votes
    7y

    @Jim Froehlich  Your front end ratio refers to your personal housing payment for the home that you live in.

    The back end ratio covers everything combined (i.e. your personal housing payment, monthly payments for credit cards, installment loans, and any negative cash flow on other investment properties.  The max ratio for conventional loans is 50% as long as you get approved by automated underwriting, but you're right, the calculations are not as straightforward as you described.

    Stephanie Medellin, Loan Factory58 Reviews
  • Investor · NH · Member since 2016 · 134 posts · 61 votes
    7y

    Thanks @Stephanie Medellin for the info and taking time to reply!

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