2nd home or Investment Property

2nd home or Investment Property

Real Estate Professional · Glendora, CA · Member since 2016 · 203 posts · 17 votes

I am in the process of puchasing an investment property (for short term rentals). How do I underwrite the loan?

By the face of it, it's an investment property - where it is going to be rented out and expected to make money? 

Also, being an vacation home, a lender suggested me that I can loan it as a 2nd or vacation home? It will be little less interest rate compare to investment/non-owner occupaid property.

Anyone in this situation?  Thoughts? 

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Loan Officer / Processor / Life & Health Agent · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 757 votes
7y
Originally posted by @Pandu Chimata:

I am in the process of puchasing an investment property (for short term rentals). How do I underwrite the loan?

By the face of it, it's an investment property - where it is going to be rented out and expected to make money? 

Also, being an vacation home, a lender suggested me that I can loan it as a 2nd or vacation home? It will be little less interest rate compare to investment/non-owner occupaid property.

Anyone in this situation?  Thoughts? 

 Here is the definition from Fannie Mae.  2nd Homes are actually the hardest to UW and your loan officer is way off on this one.  

Second Home Properties

The table below provides the requirements for second home properties.

✓Second Home Requirements
must be occupied by the borrower for some portion of the year
is restricted to one-unit dwellings
must be suitable for year-round occupancy
the borrower must have exclusive control over the property
must not be rental property or a timeshare arrangement
cannot be subject to any agreements that give a management firm control over the occupancy of the property
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  • Real Estate Broker · Bay Area · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    7y

    Hi Pandu,

    The lender will underwrite the loan for you.  You need to tell them your current owner occupy location and where you plan to buy the 2nd home vacation spot.  The lender will tell you if its a viable option.

    So an example of your house not getting approved as a 2nd home.  You live in Glendora CA and you want to buy a 2nd home in Huntington Beach CA.  Probably not going to fly.  Now if you live in Glendora CA and you want to buy a 2nd home in Lake Tahoe CA, Aspen CO, Hawaii. OK, now it makes sense.  It needs to pass the Does this Make Sense Test.

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 31k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Pandu Chimata:

    I am in the process of puchasing an investment property (for short term rentals). How do I underwrite the loan?

    By the face of it, it's an investment property - where it is going to be rented out and expected to make money? 

    Also, being an vacation home, a lender suggested me that I can loan it as a 2nd or vacation home? It will be little less interest rate compare to investment/non-owner occupaid property.

    Anyone in this situation?  Thoughts? 

     I'd follow the recommendations of the lender........Aces in their places.

  • Loan Officer / Processor / Life & Health Agent · Rancho Cucamonga, CA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 757 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Pandu Chimata:

    I am in the process of puchasing an investment property (for short term rentals). How do I underwrite the loan?

    By the face of it, it's an investment property - where it is going to be rented out and expected to make money? 

    Also, being an vacation home, a lender suggested me that I can loan it as a 2nd or vacation home? It will be little less interest rate compare to investment/non-owner occupaid property.

    Anyone in this situation?  Thoughts? 

     Here is the definition from Fannie Mae.  2nd Homes are actually the hardest to UW and your loan officer is way off on this one.  

    Second Home Properties

    The table below provides the requirements for second home properties.

    ✓Second Home Requirements
    must be occupied by the borrower for some portion of the year
    is restricted to one-unit dwellings
    must be suitable for year-round occupancy
    the borrower must have exclusive control over the property
    must not be rental property or a timeshare arrangement
    cannot be subject to any agreements that give a management firm control over the occupancy of the property
  • Real Estate Professional · Glendora, CA · Member since 2016 · 203 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    Thank you ! 

    I understand the complexity of requirements in getting 2nd home under writing. 

    What happens if we can able to under write is for a 2nd home and I use it for a rental prpoerty - now and/or down the line.. how that is going to be treated?

  • Real Estate Professional · Glendora, CA · Member since 2016 · 203 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    Also, what would be the tax implications? Being an investment property, I believe I can account for all profit and loss statemetns but being an 2nd home, I don't think I will have that option. Thoughts?

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7y

    @Pandu Chimata as mentioned above you can have your 2nd home rented as long as you occupy the property and not give up exclusive control over the property.  Meaning, giving control to a property management company.  It cannot be a timeshare.  So if those requirements are met then you are inline with the requirements of the loan itself.

    To answer your question about taxes most investors claim their rental properties on their "Schedule E" of their tax returns.  If you have a real estate property that earns income for you then you MUST claim it....whether you are obeying the rules of a loan or not.  I almost want you to think of "income" as an entirely separate thing than a loan.  If you do make income and don't claim it, that's a big no-no.  Please do consult a CPA on these things for better clarification.  There's also a "Tax" form on Bigger Pockets too that might be able to go into this in more detail.  Thanks!

  • Real Estate Professional · Glendora, CA · Member since 2016 · 203 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    Excellent. Todaylly makes sense. 

    Two key words - "Not giving control of the property, qualifies for 2nd home " <== Loan

                                   "Earning income, file it" <== Tax

    Both are not related.. 

  • New to Real Estate · Member since 2020 · 1 post · 0 votes
    5y

     Thanks for posting this.  I've been looking for this information and couldn't find it anywhere (didn't think to look in Fannie).  Every other post about this topic should just have this table as the response. 

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