How to get lending as a 1099

How to get lending as a 1099

Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 3 votes

Hello I am just starting out in investing. I have been saving money and improving my credit score. The only thing is I am a 1099 with my line of work and I write everything off to lower my tax payments, so my income  is “too low.” Though I could absolutely afford to make mortgage payments, how can I get approved for lending after so many tax write offs?

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Chris MasonPro Member
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Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
7y

Tax returns are just a profit and loss statement (with a few tax loophole expenses that lenders can "add back" to your reported net income), nothing more and nothing less. Three possibilities:

  1. You genuinely can't afford to make the payments, even though you think you can. We learned from 2007 that borrowers will get in over their heads if allowed to. I talk to folks all the time who think that earning $5k/mo means they can "afford" a $4k/mo mortgage...
  2. You can totally afford to make the payments, but for the fact that maybe you're being a little "creative" when reporting your income to Uncle Sam. It turns out that Uncle Sam and Aunt Fannie Mae are married and talk to each other. All self employed loans in 2019 are in fact stated income loans, the only thing that's different from 2007 is that your "statement" is your tax returns. When you state your income to Uncle Sam, that's the same tax paperwork used by Aunt Fannie Mae. 
  3. Lender isn't 'counting' the rental income correctly. This is a pretty common error. Rental real estate is the only form of self employment where Fannie will use projected rents and projected expenses, without requiring that it first appear on tax returns, but not all lenders honor this and many error more conservatively. 

There are also "non-qm" loans where no DTI is calculated and it's entirely predicated on the rental income of the property. These have very high rates and fees, but still less than hard money. Call it half way in between the two. I've done the math several times, 3 or 5 years of interest at the higher rate will generally cost you more than you saved in taxes by being "creative," if that is the case.

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  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @Nicholas Dennis

    I am fully aware of how the relationship between a GC and a sub works.

    If you own a company, but pay yourself a salary and take a salary from that company and then try to pass it off as you being a W2 employee, it's fraud.  That's the way I read your initial posts.  

    When you submit your income docs and disclose on your 1003 that you own a business and show all tax returns to the business and that business pays you a salary, your income will not be solely based on the salary income but on the entirety of the business' income or loss regardless of salary.  If there's 100% disclosure, your income will just land where it lands and there's no fraud.

    Anyway, I wish you well.  We've wasted enough time today.

    Stephanie

  • Contractor · Prescott, AZ · Member since 2018 · 12 posts · 5 votes
    7y

    @Stephanie P.

    Learning is never a waste of time! I appreciate your input and time! The way I worded my post I understand why you misunderstood. However I’ve confirmed with my mortgage company this is the best route one running a separate business and working under 1099. Overall creating sustained income under a 1099 should be converted to some kind of corporation to benefit from protection of personal assets and getting business history.. that was my answer to the question

  • Member since 2019 · 6 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Stephanie P. No no no this is definitely not time wasted, this is exactly the holes I want punched. Even though the tone sounds a little bickering, these are exactly the points I am curious of and wanted to challenge. Yes I completely believe everyone should pay taxes legally, but take advantage within the legal boundaries of decreasing tax payments and holding on to as much money as possible; as a DJ & Musician I’m just trying to best take advantage of the rules. I do advocate be an upstanding citizen, but have some ‘street smarts.’ Again I really appreciate all this time and input!! 

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