new mortgage: how to explain recent refi of departing residence

new mortgage: how to explain recent refi of departing residence

Member since 2020 · 21 posts · 5 votes

Hi,

I applied for a refi on 8/1 and it closed on 9/1 as owner occupied 30 year fixed with Bank1. This has been my first house (its SFH) and I have lived continuously in it for 6 years.

I saw another house(also SFH), bid on it on 9/10 and offer got accepted on 9/12 and I am in contract. I approached bank2 for mortgage application for the new house. Both house1 and house2 are v similar in sq footage and floorplan. House 1 is 10% less in value than house2.

My mortgage guy for bank2 told me that bank2 can take issue with this recent refi, as I have not occupied the house for 12 months after the refi. He also said that it is not possible to skirt the issue, since I have credit hit from bank1 and in the credit system it shows recent payoff by bank1 to older bank. Note that I do need rental income from house1 in order to quality for house2 Debt to income.

He suggests rather than skirting the problem, be upfront, address the issue and present an explanation letter to the underwriter, even before the underwriter asks for it. So my questions:

  • 1) Is this a good idea? Or should I first let the underwriter take issue and then provide him/her with an explanation letter?
  • 2) What should I write in that explanation letter: I was thinking something like below: please help review on wordings I should and should not put on the letter.

Dear Underwriter.

XX Ave, XX city, XX state is my dream house and we would be thrilled to get a mortgage for the house. I was living in home1 for 6 years and was recently approached by a company which offered to slightly better our rate for no cost to us. However, my dream house listing in my dream neighborhood came up shortly afterwards and it makes a lot of sense for us to move there: it is closer to me and my wifes work, school district is better, its more upscale neighborhood to raise a family, crime is less. The new house has larger lot/yard, has updated kitchen and baths, has air conditioning, hardwood floors instead of carpet. The current house is very original and a starter home we bought.

House2 neighborhood is v expensive and houses there are usually outside our budget, but this one suddenly came available within our budget and we would love to be the new owners and raise our family there.

Best,

XX

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  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    6y

    You’re probably going to have to stay for a year.....as you agreed to when you refi’d. 

  • Member since 2020 · 21 posts · 5 votes
    6y
    Hi Wayne, not sure what you mean? Do you mean that lender for home2 will not allow owner occupied mortgage?


    Originally posted by @Wayne Brooks:

    You’re probably going to have to stay for a year.....as you agreed to when you refi’d. 

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    6y
  • Marc RiceBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus Cleveland Dayton, OH · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Josh Smith

    Any way to approach it from a “second home purchase 10% down angle”? Not sure if underwriting varies for that?

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  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    6y

    This is one of those gray area things. The guidelines are crystal clear, black and white, so you might think that's it and we're done with it. You might also think the 2nd Amendment is b/w and c/c, but it turns out there's about 50% of the country who ALSO thinks that it's b/w and c/c, while holding an opinion that is 180 degrees the opposite of yours! It turns out that sometimes these "black and white, crystal clear" things aren't so certain after all, sometimes a series of reasonable people look at the exact same thing, and arrive at different "facts" that they operate on the assumption are true.

    That loan originator knows where they are sending the loan, and how they view the "black and white, crystal clear" guidelines. For the time being, trust them, they are best equipped to know just what "facts" are b/w & c/c with their credit decision makers, subject of course to the fact that these "gray area" things are subject to change without notice depending on the prevailing winds internal to that institution, and subject to the fact that if you "ask ahead of time" underwriters are ALWAYS significantly more conservative than if you submit a full credit package through the normal standard full process ("better to ask forgiveness than permission").

    If curious, this sort of thing is why obsessive planner types always burn out in the mortgage industry within a year or two.

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