Question about buyers with B and C credit...

Question about buyers with B and C credit...

Real Estate Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2008 · 424 posts · 5 votes

I have a rehab for sale that has been sitting or a few months. It is priced well under it's appraisal value and needs zero work, all new everything. I got a call from a guy, "Bob", a few weeks ago about it. Bob tells me he has private investors in Florida that are still lending to people with B/C credit.

We are all away of the subprime fallout and this obviously raised a red flag for me. Bob proposed the following plan:

He puts a sign up in the yard, "creative financing, bankruptcy/bad credit okay, zero down! Call Bob". He then gets calls from these folks, shows the house, they love it, they fill out an application and he sends it to his lenders. Bob says all the buyer needs is a job and a 550 credit score. If approved, the lender will have an appraisal done on the house. Here's the key, the house has to appraise high enough to actually make this a deal.

We are selling this house for $73,900 and I know it will appraise for around $80-$85,000. When it appraises for this, these lenders will loan 95% of the appraised value to these buyers. Say it appraises at $85,000, 95% of that is $80,750, so that's what they buy it for. We then get our $73,900 and Bob gets the difference, of course minus closing costs, etc.

Anybody ever heard of this and if so, how the hell do we do these deals without Bob?? He swears up and down this isn't mortgage fraud or anything like that...

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  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, TX · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 43 votes
    18y

    National City just e-mailed us today and informed us that they were pulling their wholesale team. Another one bites the dust.....

    If someone has access to 95 LTV's with a 550 score, it would be worth flipping them a deal just to find out where they're getting their money. Cut him out on the second one......lol

    I would make sure it's closed at one of the title companies that I have close personal ties with. Once you find out let me know.

  • Real Estate Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2008 · 424 posts · 5 votes
    18y

    Hey Dick...

    Thanks for the response. I've already had that thought, figure out where he is getting his lenders and go around him. I will let you know what happens here...

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2008 · 73 posts · 11 votes
    18y

    "Bob's" plan does not really sound legit. Not to say it won't work, but who are these lenders going off appraised value and not the purchase price? Especially at 95% LTV??? I've definitely heard of major lending institutions who go off appraised value...even B of A will give you a HELOC on appraised value, but not above 90%, and certainly not to a borrower with a 550 FICO. There's something going on in between. I'd find out what it is...

  • Real Estate Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2008 · 424 posts · 5 votes
    18y

    Hey yardsale...

    I found out what was going on. This guy was full of sh$&$&#&!!!!!!! He was actually using a local lender trying to get these people approved for an FHA or Fannie Mae loan, then going to sell it to them for a higher price, have a double closing with us, and pay us what we were asking. Absolute scumbag. I can't type anymore because I will probably get edited for my cussing. PIECE OF S*(#$&*(#@($&!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Real Estate Broker · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2008 · 73 posts · 11 votes
    18y

    Hahahahahahaha. At least you found out early enough before the :badwords: hit the fan. Sorry to hear...but good luck with just moving the property straight up.

  • Rental Property Investor · Mercer Island, WA · Member since 2008 · 22k+ posts · 14k+ votes
    18y

    And that's why we end up with seasoning rules and nobody who will do a double close.

    Jon

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Conroe, TX · Member since 2008 · 1k+ posts · 43 votes
    18y

    Yeap....good you found out early.

    There's no miracle monies! I just learned that 500 Fiko ( the company that rolled out 100% financing on a 500 credit score right before the crash), recently adjusted their 100% Ltv to a 620 credit score.

  • Real Estate Lender · Member since 2008 · 642 posts · 13 votes
    18y

    The only loan program that will entertain such a deal with a 500ish FICO is FHA (Fannie Mae won't touch it), but you will need at least 90 days title seasoning in order for this program to be considered.

    Regards,

    Scott Miller

  • Real Estate Investor · Fort Wayne, IN · Member since 2008 · 424 posts · 5 votes
    18y

    Thanks for the input. I met with our new mortgage company yesterday and learned the different programs that still work today. 90 day title seasoning is NOT an issue at this point.. LOL :D

  • Real Estate Investor · Millsboro, DE · Member since 2008 · 480 posts · 26 votes
    18y

    What happened to the video clips on your website? They were so good. So good that I quoted them, a few weeks back.

  • Real Estate Lender · Member since 2008 · 642 posts · 13 votes
    18y

    You bet---as far as Bob's "they need a job" statements, in order for FHA to work, they will have to have a 2 year employment track record (with no gap) and be able to document it (as in FULL DOC) in order for FHA to be considered...

    I also lend in IN and would be available for a 2nd opinion if desired...

    Regards,

    Scott Miller

    Originally posted by "BlueStarHomes":
    Thanks for the input. I met with our new mortgage company yesterday and learned the different programs that still work today. 90 day title seasoning is NOT an issue at this point.. LOL :D
  • Member since 2008 · 15 posts · 0 votes
    18y

    wow that is pretty shady of this Bob character. At least you figured it out this early, because he has definitely dooped others. Bob has found the small arbitrage within lending that can exist in certain cirmcumstances.

    That is also why many lenders (not all but many) loan based on the lower of the appraised value or purchase price. Many lenders use this as an additional spread to lower their risk.

    While credit is tightening, if the properties fundmentals are strong and there is decent credit that GOOD financing is still available. Rates are looking decent with many dropping before the anticipated 50 bps fed cut.

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