Cash out refinance on secondary home and credit score

Cash out refinance on secondary home and credit score

Pleasanton, CA · Member since 2015 · 246 posts · 115 votes

Hello

I have 2 homes now (primary and secondary-rental). My secondary home has appreciated quite well (purchased at 255K, expected appraisal : 415K, loan remaining: 145K). The mortgage is a 15 year fixed at a very good rate (2.75%) with 11 years left to pay it off.  

Let us say I do a cashout refinance for 30 year @4% and take out the equity (say 150K) to invest in SFH homes in other areas, I expect my debt will go up and also take a higher interest loan. Is this a good idea and will this affect my ability to get 8 other mortgages for my investment homes. My credit score is 820+ now.

I am thinking of the following investing strategy options 

1. Invest the 150K spread across different crowd funding debt/equity investments. Get a return of 10%, so effectively I am making a spread of 6% against my loan so its 9K extra returns per year.

2. Use it along with other savings to fund down payment on 8 investment home with the following breakdown

Indy area:

  a. 3 Homes in Indy area  with a reputable turnkey provider around the downtown area that is gentrifying , Aim for positive cash flow of 900$ per month (300 per door) with a purchase price from 60 to 75K.

b. 2 Homes in A neighborhoods of Indy which require min rehab, purchase price around 110K but rentable at $1200 PM , Aim for a positive cash flow of 800 PM (400 per door) and work with a real estate agent and a PM.

Kansas Area/Des Moines/Birmingham

c. 3 homes in these locations that can give me good cash on cash returns (focus and B and A areas)

Without taking the cashout refinance, my savings can only give down payment for 2-3  homes this year. Should I try to get 2-3 first or go ahead with the cashout refinance. Any issues in ability to get financing for the planned 8 if I went this route?

Insights and suggestions greatly appreciated. 

Thanks

Sunny

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Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2014 · 743 posts · 927 votes
10y

Since you have such a great interest rate, why move away from it? Get a commercial HELOC to draw out the equity and use as needed for downpayment to buy the additional properties?

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  • Rental Property Investor · Ardmore, PA · Member since 2014 · 60 posts · 18 votes
    10y

    Hi Sunny, I'm no expert. In fact you sound like you're further along than I am. So take that heavily into account.  But here are my thoughts:

    1. re: crowd funding investments. How much will you be losing to taxes? My understanding is that you don't get any of the tax benefits when you go through those sites.

    2. It sounds like you're aiming to diversify with those 8 homes, which seems wise. You sounded pretty confident on your returns expectations for those 8 homes. Do you have experience there?  If not, is there any way to dip your toes in  the water with your savings to test the voracity of the claims on the 8, and then jump in when you're comfortable with the operating relationship?

    Other than that, your math seems sound. I'm sorry I can't speak to the impact to your credit score. I know that 1 component of your score has to do with the requests / time, so it seems reasonable to assume that applying for 8 simultaneous mortgages would be a problem.

  • Rental Property Investor · Ardmore, PA · Member since 2014 · 60 posts · 18 votes
    10y

    You seem to have a very analytical mind. Do you mind if I ask you how you chose those 3 investment home areas?  I'm working on my criteria for choosing turn key providers presently.

  • Investor · Bethel, CT · Member since 2014 · 55 posts · 12 votes
    10y

    I finally made the leap into crowd funding RE Investmenting after considering turnkey and buying local rental properties, the simpler process of crowd funding investing helped me make my decision in the end.  I may still buy local properties in the future but for now while I hold my W2 job it makes sense for me to go the more passive investment route.  

    Just to clarify on@Jeff Devillestatement for crowd funding in equity investments the depreciation and potentially interest expenses are passed through to the investor so you do get the tax deferred benefit presumably for a shorter investment horizon then say buy and hold investing.  Not the case for debt investing though.

  • Pleasanton, CA · Member since 2015 · 246 posts · 115 votes
    10y

    Mike

    Did you feel the pricing was too high on the turn key?

    Thanks

  • Pleasanton, CA · Member since 2015 · 246 posts · 115 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jeff Deville:

    You seem to have a very analytical mind. Do you mind if I ask you how you chose those 3 investment home areas?  I'm working on my criteria for choosing turn key providers presently.

    Jeff

    Narrowed down from bigger pocketd research.

    The cashflow expectations are higher than what typical turnkey companies offer, so just waiting to get right property.

    Sunny 

  • Investor · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2014 · 743 posts · 927 votes
    10y

    Since you have such a great interest rate, why move away from it? Get a commercial HELOC to draw out the equity and use as needed for downpayment to buy the additional properties?

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    Loan Officer · Tustin, CA · Member since 2015 · 3k+ posts · 713 votes
    10y

    Sunny all wonderful options. Not sure about the return you are projecting are that realistic.

  • Pleasanton, CA · Member since 2015 · 246 posts · 115 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jo-Ann Lapin:

    Sunny all wonderful options. Not sure about the return you are projecting are that realistic.

     Yes, projections are higher, hoping if I target high, at least will settle for slightly lesser and force me to research more ;)

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