HELOC Application - Boarder vs. Rental Income: Unable to qualify

HELOC Application - Boarder vs. Rental Income: Unable to qualify

Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 220 posts · 98 votes

HELOC Application - Boarder vs. Rental Income: Unable to qualify for higher Equity credit line

I initially requested a set amount on my HELOC application but lender has capped it at $30K less than requested based on debt to income ratio and refused to use the rental income. My guess is that underwriting may be considering my income as “boarder income” in which case I can understand that, because the lender might view the income as not stable enough to be counted like a regular rental.I do however have full leases and it is not “boarder income” but rather “rental income” and hits my tax returns without any issues, so I am just a little confused. So to give you a little insight into my living situation:

I am house hacking in one of my duplex properties. I figured I don't need the extra space in the upper unit plus needed to bring in more cash, so came up with the brilliant idea of renting my upper unit and moving into basement.The property is an official duplex property with approved ADU as registered by Jefferson County.One unit (the one with crawl space) has one address we shall call 1225 Bell Street but falls under the main property address (suspecting this is causing some of the problem) - which we shall call 1235 Bell Street. The second unit, is 1235 Bell street (which also happens to share the name of the property under JEFFCO records) and this comes with approved ADU which is where I live and then rent out the top.The unit has separate entrance, separate bathroom, kitchen and entirely different living space.I never see my tenant who lives in 1235 Bell Street top unit while I live in the basement unit, so my lease is an official lease not a "roommate" lease so essentially providing "rental" not "boarder income".

The challenge: Lender does not want to consider rents from either units in evaluating my debt to income ratio. I have great credit, stable income (10 plus years with same employer and great pay), and I have lived on this property for 2.5 years now.

Oh boy, I am so trying to fight this with my HELOC application and appeal to lender. I got online and decided to goggle to understand this and have decided to reach out to this community to see if there are any suggestions. Perhaps the obvious suggestion would be to try another lender in the event that it is determined that current underwriting guidelines are incorrect, but I am so hoping that my appeal to lender will be taken into consideration. I was nice and provided the facts in a professional manner and generally appealed to have their underwriting team reconsider based on this. This HELOC means a lot to me, so it is a little disappointing to get this far and hit this seemingly brick wall. Any suggestions and/or comments of similar experiences and how you got around this will be greatly appreciated. Perhaps am just uninformed on this and need to self-educate. I have heard of stipulations requiring staying in the home for about 2 years (been there 2.5 years) and that some lenders will use 75% of the income. Current credit union will not even use 1%!

My loan officer seems nice and she is trying to go back and fight for me, but at the end of the day underwriting calls the shots. Waiting patiently. Worst case scenario, I just go with the HELOC amount they approve (as I really do not have time to start another application at this time) and try again next year or two with a different lender. The explanation I got was, "they will not count rental income for the same property that you live in ...", which is what got me to think they may assume it is one unit and a roommate type situatio so I figured I have nothign to loose by trying to appeal by explaining my situation. They also have a copy of the appraisal that explains current setup which supports the above so we shall wait to see. Just really dissappointing is all.

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Andrew PostellPro Member
Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
8y

@Anna M. I appreciate the detail here but this sounds like you are using a "big" bank to get your HELOC. The larger the bank the more restrictions they will have on using rental income. This sounds strange but this is exactly why investors preach on using small to mid-sized lenders. Now, whatever the size of the bank...go to another bank! You are the customer, not the other way around. You deserve the best loan you can find. Shop that HELOC!

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  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    8y

    @Anna M. I appreciate the detail here but this sounds like you are using a "big" bank to get your HELOC. The larger the bank the more restrictions they will have on using rental income. This sounds strange but this is exactly why investors preach on using small to mid-sized lenders. Now, whatever the size of the bank...go to another bank! You are the customer, not the other way around. You deserve the best loan you can find. Shop that HELOC!

  • Maricopa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    8y
    Agree with @Andrew Postell. Go with a different lender. Smaller banks have different guidelines because they are looking for your business, the way it should be. Did the bank even give you and offer?
  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 220 posts · 98 votes
    8y

    Thank you @Andrew Postell and @Brayan Sandoval. I totally agree with you about opting for smaller banks and interesting enough that is exactly what this is, a small bank. It is a small credit union with only one other location in Colorado. I did however approach another credit union when I started this HELOC process, so I am waiting to see what this other credit union says. This credit union did give me an offer but it is $30K less than what I was applying for based on the income to debt ratio and upon further investigation, it is when I found out that they will not use my rental income despite it being rental not boarder income. I think what may actually be going on here is that because of how small they are, they may not be familiar with the guidelines and thus the decision to reach out to them to try to see what can be done. In the end, I will go with the one that is able to meet all criteria including being able to allow for use of my rental income. Thank you both, I really do appreciate the response.

  • Maricopa, AZ · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 2 votes
    8y
    Not too small lol** Not sure what LTV your going for, but some banks feel better going under 60% CLTV even 50% on this property type. Hope that helps.
  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2015 · 404 posts · 227 votes
    8y

    @Anna M. What LTV are you attempting to get with your HELOC?

    It might help to get input from some of the local Denver investors who have experience with the local banks and credit unions. I know if you searched through the Colorado forums you would find previous threads where people have recommended credit unions who are good to work with.

    The issue with HELOCs is that there are no standardized guidelines like you would find with Conventional mortgages. Each individual lender will set their own guidelines for their HELOC product, so you just need to find one that has no issue with accepting your rental income.

  • Linda WeygantPro Member
    Investor and CPA · Arvada, CO · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    I'm going to go with the other and recommend trying another lender.  My favorite for anything slightly outside of the norms is FirstBank.  My contact there is smart and really "gets" the issues with investors.

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 220 posts · 98 votes
    8y

    Great news all!My determination paid off, the credit union will honor my request and give me the maximum LTV, 80% for the duplex property and will consider my rental income despite initial hesitation, yay!!!!.Now the next thing is to take the property out of a trust to complete the closing, but that I felt was coming so I was ready for it and finalizing that. I am very thankful to you all for the great advice and am thankful to the Credit union for where we are at present. Fingers crossed!

  • Lender · Bellevue WA & Orange County, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Anna M.:

    Great news all!My determination paid off, the credit union will honor my request and give me the maximum LTV, 80% for the duplex property and will consider my rental income despite initial hesitation, yay!!!!.Now the next thing is to take the property out of a trust to complete the closing, but that I felt was coming so I was ready for it and finalizing that. I am very thankful to you all for the great advice and am thankful to the Credit union for where we are at present. Fingers crossed!

    HI Anna,

    Are you okay with mentioning what that credit union was and if it was a residential line of credit or did you speak with the commercial LO at that CU? 

  • Investor · Denver, CO · Member since 2016 · 220 posts · 98 votes
    8y

    Not at all @Albert Bui.  It was Colorado Credit Union.  Residential :). 

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