HELOC in third position ?

HELOC in third position ?

Larry GarberPro Member
Rockland County, NY · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 4 votes

I just discovered my credit union will not allow the HELOC I applied for to take a 3rd position. Are there banks that DO allow this ?

0Reply
380 views

Most Popular Reply

Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 25 votes
6y

@Mike Gel It's the priority / order of who gets paid in the event of a default & foreclosure sale. The 1st lienholder will recover all of their money first. If there is any left after that, the 2nd lienholder is then in line, and so on.

Most mortgage companies want to be in 1st position, and therefore have the greatest chance in recovering their money in the event of a default. Typically loans in a 2nd position would have a higher interest rate, to compensate for the extra risk by being in 2nd position.

I don't know of any lender that would take a 3rd lien position @Larry Garber. If there's sufficient equity, why not take a larger HELOC in 2nd position and use the proceeds to retire the existing 2nd lien?

See this reply in the discussion

9 Replies

Jump to latestLatest
  • Joe HomsBusiness Member
    Flipper · Mission Viejo, CA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    @Larry Garber no bank wants to be in anything but 1st position.  You might want to check with some hard money lenders, but you have a tough climb on this one.

    Good Investing...

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    6y

    HELOC's are typically Always second position. The only real possibility is to get a bigger, 2nd position heloc, paying off the existing 2nd position, assuming there is sufficient equity. HML's typically won't lend in 2nd, let alone 3rd position.

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y

    do you mind what is meant by 1st/2nd/3rd position?  thanks in advance....a bit of a newbie here

  • Real Estate Broker · Austin, TX · Member since 2020 · 28 posts · 25 votes
    6y

    @Mike Gel It's the priority / order of who gets paid in the event of a default & foreclosure sale. The 1st lienholder will recover all of their money first. If there is any left after that, the 2nd lienholder is then in line, and so on.

    Most mortgage companies want to be in 1st position, and therefore have the greatest chance in recovering their money in the event of a default. Typically loans in a 2nd position would have a higher interest rate, to compensate for the extra risk by being in 2nd position.

    I don't know of any lender that would take a 3rd lien position @Larry Garber. If there's sufficient equity, why not take a larger HELOC in 2nd position and use the proceeds to retire the existing 2nd lien?

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 6 posts · 1 vote
    6y
  • Rental Property Investor · Northern, CA · Member since 2012 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    6y

    @Larry Garber Usually if you have a 1st and a 2nd mortgage, there isn't even enough equity left to make getting a HELOC possible/worthwhile even if a lender was willing to do one in 3rd position (which isn't likely).

    However, if you've had these mortgages for a long time and paid them down so much that there is a lot of equity somehow, why not refi them into a single mortgage? Then you'd be much more likely to be able to get a HELOC as there are plenty of lenders that will do them in 2nd position.

  • Larry GarberPro Member
    OP
    Rockland County, NY · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    Tnanks-that ends that idea- thought another bank might 'OK' IT

  • Larry GarberPro Member
    OP
    Rockland County, NY · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 4 votes
    6y

    Maybe it Would make sense to refi, especially with today's rates. Definitely something to look into you. I'm 69 years old & don't think I'd have time to recoup the refi charges, etc, but if it made it possible to go ahead with ...

Join the conversationCreate a free account to reply, vote on answers and follow this thread.