Contractor 70% over estimate w/no warning, demanding money

Contractor 70% over estimate w/no warning, demanding money

Investor · Sacramento, CA · Member since 2014 · 24 posts · 8 votes

Hi guys-

I hired a contractor to do exterior and interior renovations at an apartment I own. Exterior work was to be completed first, then move to the interior. Cost of the exterior was estimated (agreed to and signed) at $24.5k. The estimate included language that any unforeseen items discovered that led to overages would require written notification, a new signed agreement to that work, and payment up front. 

That estimate was signed in May, flash forward to September. I had been in weekly contact w my contractor, there had been no notice of unexpected overruns. Suddenly though, he sent an email detailing over 17k in overruns (so, a total of ~41k). The costs are for labor, material but are not accompanied by invoices, receipts or anything that can be verified.  He refuses to send proof. 

I've let the contractor go, work has stopped. I previously sent $18k for stage draws that met work completed. I plan to verify work was completed and will pay the remaining $6k (brings paid to 24k per original estimate), but these overages are troubling. I cannot just pay him without more proof. I've asked repeatedly for him to provide documentation on these alleged charges. This morning he sent a final invoice, stating he "will not provide any additional information to you in the form of labor costs, receipts, etc. Those will be provided in court, if/when necessary."

The whole thing seems like a bit of bait and switch. I certainly would prefer to avoid legal fees, but cutting him a check under the circumstances just isn't happening. He's asked me to pay the remainder, and then promises to complete the remaining work. I will not have him do anything more, we just have lost all trust with each other. 

My plan right now is to verify the work is done, issue payment for the agreed upon portion, and ask him again to show invoices/receipts for the overages. If he will not, I'll have to find an attorney.  The property is located in Indiana. 

Thanks for reading!  Appreciate your insight!  Language from signed estimate is below. 

"If unforeseen rot, deterioration, insect damage or poor structure is found and is found that it is necessary to replace the disturbed area, not included in this scope of work, an Additional Work Agreement will be written at such time for such repairs and costs will be due payable prior to work being completed. Payment due prior to repairs being made."

All work is to be completed in a workmanlike manner according to standard practices. Any alteration or deviation from above specifications involving extra costs will be executed only upon written orders, and will become as extra charge over and above the estimate. All agreements contingent upon strikes, accidents or delays beyond our control. Owner to carry fire, tornado and other necessary insurance."

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Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
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Andy Schwaderer - I would not pay a penny extra without any proof. Also you did not authorize any additional work. Let him try and sue you or put a lien on the property. You should win out in court all day long. In this instance I would not even get a lawyer at this point in time - save your money.
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  • Ian WalshBusiness Member
    Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Do you have a contract in place with him?

  • Rainmaker · Naples, NY · Member since 2016 · 14 posts · 3 votes
    10y

    I am an investor, and a GC. The contractor got upside down, and is now being a bully. Likely, he ate it on another job or has a large expense coming and your the absentee patsy. The contract language is clear. You have no change orders presented much less signed. The advice of an Indiana Attorney is solid- Get on the "O". Have a local attorney, who deals with investors / contractors regularly send him a certified letter stating your intent to deny ANY pmt above initial agreed upon contract. Further, ask the local attorney his thoughts one filing a suit against this joker for the cost of your time where the property is not marketed,as well as your expense to litigate. An attorney will likely tell you it's not worth your time to file suit, but is worth your time to have said attorney send a certified letter (documentation). Furthermore, see what your move is with any licensing board in the state. Guys like this make it hard for honest contractors. His lack of structure and communication is not your problem. He will go away.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Crown Point, IN · Member since 2009 · 482 posts · 216 votes
    10y

    Andy,

    I have a RE business in Indiana and have my own contractor. I read most of these posts and I think there's one thing missing. The contractor can put a lien on your property in a heartbeat. Indiana allows this and it's a big problem. So if he gets mad enough, basically all he has to do is go down to the courthouse and file.  However, my experience has shown me that if you have a good lawyer and he goes after this clown like a pit bull, he might back off. I didn't see anything about how many units your building has, so I don't know how big it is.  But $17k for additional siding and labor? Wow! Most likely he's asking you to pay for a cost overrun he had on another project. I use to see that all the time.  It' also possible that he did a lousy job estimating your cost and wants more money. I think if he knows that you aren't going to pay him and you have an attorney contact him, he'll back down. But if he thinks for half a second that he can get more money out of you, he's going to try it.  Not providing proof is a huge red flag as well. If the property is near me, I'd be happy to go over and inspect it for you. I'm in Northwest Indiana, about 2 hours north of Indianapolis. I'm close the the Illinois border and about 40 minutes from Chicago. 

    Good Luck!

  • Investor · Campbell Hall, NY · Member since 2016 · 30 posts · 10 votes
    10y

    If you agreed in writing on change orders and he has none, than he has nothing. You're still tied to the same original deal as is he. I wouldn't pay him a cent. As a contractor, I don't do anything without approval above the original scope unless I want to throw in an extra. Which a lot of times I do just because...

  • Tallahassee, FL · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 4 votes
    10y

    Disclaimer: I am not an attorney!

    I didn't read every word above, though most, so I apologize if someone mentioned this already. My experience is very limited, but when doing renovations on our 203k project we were advised to get a signed waiver of lien with each completed sub as we paid them. My septic guy tried something similar, but actually did do work that wasn't specified. I offered him a check for the original agreed upon work and a waiver of lien to sign and he took it. Didn't like it, but he took it and I haven't lost a night of sleep on it.

    Not sure what your options are with your last payment (consult an attorney in Indiana), but if possible I would hold that last payment till he signs the waiver (assuming an attorney doesn't conclude you're on the hook for the overage). If he's financially tight, as some have suggested he probably is, he might just sign and walk away with the check in lieu of a dragged out battle he surely doesn't want.

    I would definitely have an attorney manage the exchange. Spend the couple hundred to be covered and show a strong hand off the bat by actually introducing him to an attorney while he just threatens. Put it to rest as quickly as you can. Of course, unless someone in the thread actually is an attorney, you're doing yourself a serious disservice if you don't at least consult one for the area. Can't stress that enough!

    Best of luck!

    Doug...

    edit: Huh, a second page. Missed that. :-) Didn't mean to replicate some responses.

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