Tax Advantages in real estate

Tax Advantages in real estate

Rental Property Investor · Cleveland Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 32 votes

I hear people often say that real estate is treated more advantageously from a tax perspective than other businesses.  I frequently hear people say something along the lines of "I get 15% rate of return, and that's not even considering my tax deduction so I know I'm making a killing".  However, I don't see how real estate is treated any differently than other businesses.  In business, profits are taxed, not income.  My profit on a rental property is my income (rent) minus my expenses (Interest on my debt, insurance, repairs, etc.) and that is precisely what I am taxed on and I am taxed at the same rate as every other business.  Some people might argue that depreciation on the house is a great benefit, but I don't see that either.  Although I do not have to repair my roof every year, I have to save money for that expense every year, so I don't really consider that profit, so the IRS allows me to deduct some amount of money for that, great.  Except that it goes against my cost basis and I get taxed on it when I sell the house.  I'm not saying that it's unfair, but I certainly don't see why people consider it to be a bigger tax benefit that any other business.  Am I missing something?

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Financial Advisor · Virginia Beach, VA · Member since 2017 · 502 posts · 508 votes
9y
Originally posted by @Max Briggs:

I’m no too sure I buy that not paying self employment tax is a big benefit.

Dave is single and has a home business building furniture. After taking all his expenses and exemptions into consideration, Dave has $50,000 of taxable income. Using 2016 rates, Dave will owe the IRS $15,731 in taxes for that $50,000 of taxable income.

Debbie is single and owns residential rental properties. After taking all her expenses and exemptions into consideration, Debbie also has $50,000 of taxable income. Using 2016 rates, Debbie will owe the IRS $8,271 in taxes for her $50,000 of taxable income.

As for depreciation recapture, if you die owning the property, you never have to repay it. My father-in-law- is 80 and owns 12 properties. He has depreciated them for about $1.5 million. That equates to $1.5 million of tax free income to him over his lifetime. His heirs will sell the properties for about $4 million and pay no income taxes on that money.

These meet most people's threshold for a "big" tax benefit. Your personal threshold might be higher.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Red Bank, NJ · Member since 2017 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Max Briggs I think we are on the same page but different places. Some of which I think may have to do with the difference between SFH which I would not touch and Multi's which are money trees.

    Paragraph 2. You determine your pay-off time frame. So you keep referring to 30 years but you can do less if the income allows for it. But, nevertheless you are getting a the full rental value (dividend) for the house- not 20%. Cannot be done with stocks.

    3. You can reinvest the dividend into the asset and increase the value of that asset and also increase the amount that the dividend (rent) will be on that asset. Win, win. Now you can refinance and pull real money out and invest in another house, without paying taxes.

    4. I am well diversified. but as to your "tax shelter"- you are way off. The amount of cash that can flow off of a multi or apartment building cannot for a second be compared to a 401k or Roth. I am talking about thousands a week after expense income. And that is not even taking into consideration the asset's ever increasing capital value.

    6. As for the same capital gains- yes and no when you figure in depreciation (on only the structure) and that you have not expended any of your money on the other 75%-80% of the asset. So again- really? You chose to forego the 1031 exchange and you are disappointed that you have to pay taxes on an asset you didn't even pay for???

  • Rental Property Investor · Cleveland Heights, OH · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 32 votes
    8y

    just saw this article come across my email from bigger pockets. It’s relevant to this discussion. Its a good article and actually discusses the possibility of losing the rental income exclusion for self employment tax, which was mentioned a while back. 

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/tax-plan-real-estate-investors/?utm_source=newsletter

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