Using margin paydown as source of return

Using margin paydown as source of return

Rental Property Investor · Winslow, ME · Member since 2008 · 826 posts · 281 votes

This may or may not be the appropriate forum for this but I think it's interesting and might get some people thinking:

We consider "debt paydown" as a source of return for real estate. For example, if you put 25% down on a a property, 20 years amort., and it breaks even cash flow-wise, the return is 7% (i.e. if you put 25k in an investement, and it grew to 100k 20 years later, it would have returned an annualized 7%). Not too bad considering it's just one of 4 ways to get return.

My question is ... can we duplicate this source of return via the use of margin on our stock / bond portfolio... Obviously, we can only "borrow" 50% and as long as we're property diversifed, we should be safe from margin calls, but we could even do 30-40% to be safer. Also is the fact that we would "reduce" the return of the portfolio becuase dividends would be used to reduce the margin balance over time ... automatically.

I think this is one of those situations where asset allocation and manangement would dictate the answer. In other words, it would need to be a fairly high yield portfolio, vs. growth, and the margin rate would need to be reasonable. Love to hear some feedback, especially from you numbers geeks out there!

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  • Real Estate Investor · Fishers, IN · Member since 2009 · 408 posts · 196 votes
    15y

    Hi Kenneth.

    I like your thought process.

    I used to invest in securities on margin and found that the money was too expensive and too volatile to the risk of my owned securities in the market. I might suggest using your thought process but approaching banks that are willing to extend a line of credit against market securities. I have heard banks like Chase and Huntington are lending up to 50% of market securities value for you to do what you want with.

    You might want that route as opposed to brokerage house margin. Would hate to see a margin call.

  • Rental Property Investor · Winslow, ME · Member since 2008 · 826 posts · 281 votes
    15y

    That is an option ... either that or move my money to a brokerage with lower margin rates, which does exist. there are some with 2-4% right now.

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