Using Owner-Financing As A Source of Income Investment

Using Owner-Financing As A Source of Income Investment

San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes

I'd love some input into the idea of buying cheap properties in a economically depressed area with cash, and selling them with owner financing as a means of income.

I have purchased two properties in the past with owner financing when the market was bad, with low down-payments. One was raw land, the other was a condo and the terms were 10% interest with a 10 year balloon payment. Both were great opportunities for me and I profited on both.

My thinking is that I'm in my 60's and although I have property management experience and am good at it, I would rather not have to deal with repairs in the middle of the night, etc.

So, I'd like feedback on this idea:

Buy a cheap property, such as an old mobile home on it's own lot (I am allergic to HOAs) for cash. I can probably buy one for around $50,000.

Maybe do just a little cosmetic work to it.

Sell it as-is, but in livable condition. I think can probably sell it for $65,000 because of offering owner-financing.

I would hope to find a buyer who would just make monthly payments for many years. The mortgage payment would be less than they would pay for rent in a similar building.

Terms: 5% down, 10% interest, 30 years. Prepayment penalty for first 5 years (max allowed by CA). Insurance would be required with me named on policy to be notified if they miss payments, and I can collect taxes with the payment as long as they agree to do that, under CA law, so I can keep the taxes up to date.

If they can only make the monthly payments, the payments should be mainly interest for up to 20 years. I would expect them to re-sell it before then.

My hope would be that a flipper doesn't buy it, but with the price and pre-payment penalty, I think I'd still come out ahead by selling it myself without an agent (I had a license in my previous life) and have bought and sold without agents.

If my math is right, I should make 7% - 10% return on it.

One downside is that in CA with the newer laws that are kinder to buyers who go into foreclosure, if the buyers can't/don't make the payments, I have to work with them to a degree before I could foreclose on them.

The money invested in this property would not be money I would have to rely on, so if I did have to foreclose and spend money on it to fix it back up, etc., I would be fine if I didn't have the income and would have money to fix any damages, etc.

I do understand that this would be termed an installment sale, and capital gains would be spread out over time.

I met a man who had a property in WA when I lived there that had an old hardware store building on it and a residence. While I lived in the area, he sold it three times. I rented a unit above the old hardware store from him at one point. I said it must be a bummer that people keep ending up in foreclosure and he ends up with the property again (different people tried different businesses in the building in this small town). He laughed and said he was making money hand over fist on it. He was able to keep the down-payments and then when they foreclosed, he was able to sell it again for more money, as the market kept increasing. And the buyers were responsible for repairs in the meantime. I thought it was an intriguing idea.

So, pros and cons? What am I missing?

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  • Ashish AcharyaBusiness Member
    CPA, CFP®, PFS · Sarasota, FL · Member since 2017 · 5k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    I'd love some input into the idea of buying cheap properties in a economically depressed area with cash, and selling them with owner financing as a means of income.

    I have purchased two properties in the past with owner financing when the market was bad, with low down-payments. One was raw land, the other was a condo and the terms were 10% interest with a 10 year balloon payment. Both were great opportunities for me and I profited on both.

    My thinking is that I'm in my 60's and although I have property management experience and am good at it, I would rather not have to deal with repairs in the middle of the night, etc.

    So, I'd like feedback on this idea:

    Buy a cheap property, such as an old mobile home on it's own lot (I am allergic to HOAs) for cash. I can probably buy one for around $50,000.

    Maybe do just a little cosmetic work to it.

    Sell it as-is, but in livable condition. I think can probably sell it for $65,000 because of offering owner-financing.

    I would hope to find a buyer who would just make monthly payments for many years. The mortgage payment would be less than they would pay for rent in a similar building.

    Terms: 5% down, 10% interest, 30 years. Prepayment penalty for first 5 years (max allowed by CA). Insurance would be required with me named on policy to be notified if they miss payments, and I can collect taxes with the payment as long as they agree to do that, under CA law, so I can keep the taxes up to date.

    If they can only make the monthly payments, the payments should be mainly interest for up to 20 years. I would expect them to re-sell it before then.

    My hope would be that a flipper doesn't buy it, but with the price and pre-payment penalty, I think I'd still come out ahead by selling it myself without an agent (I had a license in my previous life) and have bought and sold without agents.

    If my math is right, I should make 7% - 10% return on it.

    One downside is that in CA with the newer laws that are kinder to buyers who go into foreclosure, if the buyers can't/don't make the payments, I have to work with them to a degree before I could foreclose on them.

    The money invested in this property would not be money I would have to rely on, so if I did have to foreclose and spend money on it to fix it back up, etc., I would be fine if I didn't have the income and would have money to fix any damages, etc.

    I do understand that this would be termed an installment sale, and capital gains would be spread out over time.

    I met a man who had a property in WA when I lived there that had an old hardware store building on it and a residence. While I lived in the area, he sold it three times. I rented a unit above the old hardware store from him at one point. I said it must be a bummer that people keep ending up in foreclosure and he ends up with the property again (different people tried different businesses in the building in this small town). He laughed and said he was making money hand over fist on it. He was able to keep the down-payments and then when they foreclosed, he was able to sell it again for more money, as the market kept increasing. And the buyers were responsible for repairs in the meantime. I thought it was an intriguing idea.

    So, pros and cons? What am I missing?

    You will have a phantom income that is taxed. Buying and selling property will not qualify for seller financing( installment sales) for tax. So, you can have that arrangements with the buyer as installment sale, but for tax it is assumed the entire proceeds is received in the year of sale and you will owe tax on the gain on sale. You will have not received the money, but you will pay pax. It’s a timing difference.  

    This was purely tax impact.   

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  • San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Ashish Acharya:
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    I'd love some input into the idea of buying cheap properties in a economically depressed area with cash, and selling them with owner financing as a means of income.

    I have purchased two properties in the past with owner financing when the market was bad, with low down-payments. One was raw land, the other was a condo and the terms were 10% interest with a 10 year balloon payment. Both were great opportunities for me and I profited on both.

    My thinking is that I'm in my 60's and although I have property management experience and am good at it, I would rather not have to deal with repairs in the middle of the night, etc.

    So, I'd like feedback on this idea:

    Buy a cheap property, such as an old mobile home on it's own lot (I am allergic to HOAs) for cash. I can probably buy one for around $50,000.

    Maybe do just a little cosmetic work to it.

    Sell it as-is, but in livable condition. I think can probably sell it for $65,000 because of offering owner-financing.

    I would hope to find a buyer who would just make monthly payments for many years. The mortgage payment would be less than they would pay for rent in a similar building.

    Terms: 5% down, 10% interest, 30 years. Prepayment penalty for first 5 years (max allowed by CA). Insurance would be required with me named on policy to be notified if they miss payments, and I can collect taxes with the payment as long as they agree to do that, under CA law, so I can keep the taxes up to date.

    If they can only make the monthly payments, the payments should be mainly interest for up to 20 years. I would expect them to re-sell it before then.

    My hope would be that a flipper doesn't buy it, but with the price and pre-payment penalty, I think I'd still come out ahead by selling it myself without an agent (I had a license in my previous life) and have bought and sold without agents.

    If my math is right, I should make 7% - 10% return on it.

    One downside is that in CA with the newer laws that are kinder to buyers who go into foreclosure, if the buyers can't/don't make the payments, I have to work with them to a degree before I could foreclose on them.

    The money invested in this property would not be money I would have to rely on, so if I did have to foreclose and spend money on it to fix it back up, etc., I would be fine if I didn't have the income and would have money to fix any damages, etc.

    I do understand that this would be termed an installment sale, and capital gains would be spread out over time.

    I met a man who had a property in WA when I lived there that had an old hardware store building on it and a residence. While I lived in the area, he sold it three times. I rented a unit above the old hardware store from him at one point. I said it must be a bummer that people keep ending up in foreclosure and he ends up with the property again (different people tried different businesses in the building in this small town). He laughed and said he was making money hand over fist on it. He was able to keep the down-payments and then when they foreclosed, he was able to sell it again for more money, as the market kept increasing. And the buyers were responsible for repairs in the meantime. I thought it was an intriguing idea.

    So, pros and cons? What am I missing?

    You will have a phantom income that is taxed. Buying and selling property will not qualify for seller financing( installment sales) for tax. So, you can have that arrangements with the buyer as installment sale, but for tax it is assumed the entire proceeds is received in the year of sale and you will owe tax on the gain on sale. You will have not received the money, but you will pay pax. It’s a timing difference.  

    This was purely tax impact.   

     Interesting.  So, let me be sure I understand.  So, let's say I buy a property and then turn around and sell it for $65K.  You're saying, I'd have a capital gains of $15K in the year it was sold, even if I sold it with owner-carry installment contract?

    This is actually not bad news to me, as I could then use that $15K to start a Qualified Opportunity Fund, which was my goal - if I am understanding how that works.  I was hoping there might be a way to sell the first property on an installment contract and somehow get that capital gains into an opportunity fund.

    So, am I understanding what you said correctly?  I'd be taxed the $15K profit as capital gains in the year it was sold?

    Thanks so much for responding.

  • Investor · brentwood, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 730 votes
    6y

    Seems like a whole lot of work and hassle for what is going to amount to a relatively modest profit (especially in California)?

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