Walking the Tightrope between Debt and Leverage

Walking the Tightrope between Debt and Leverage

Anthony GaydenPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes

What is a good balance between debt and leverage?

The biggest mistakes I have made were when I assumed I was strong enough to overcome the psychological effects of dealing with debt. 

Last year (just after I was on the Money Podcast) I found myself with two vacant rentals where I was paying both mortgages and utilities, not only that but I had yet to refinance the one that was a BRRRR and I had used credit cards to pay the $25,000 in renovations. I was getting eaten alive in interest.

But it gets worse, I was self funding my wedding and honeymoon so I put that on credit as well. 

Finally I made the dumb move of buying a new personal residence in the middle of it all. So I was paying 3 mortgages and 3 sets of utilities.

After the wedding I also took on my wife’s $30,000+ in miscellaneous debts.

Here I was, a guy who was on the Money Podcast and I was drowning in debt.......

Needless to say I decided to get back to basics. I thought I was smarter than that and I screwed up, but I knew I could fix this mess. I quickly got both of my rentals rented. Next up I completed the refinance and used the money to pay off all of the credit card debt.

Next things got really interesting. I re-read Dave Ramsey’s Total Money Makeover and started listening to his podcast daily again. I realized the debt trap I had fallen into had nearly drowned me.

My wife and I put all of our debts on paper and decided  that we were no longer using debt for our personal finances.

We got married last August and since then we paid off all our debts:

$17,000 Wife’s Student loan

$25,000 Credit card debt on one card

$3509 credit card #2

$500 credit card #3

$3000 HELOC

$12,000 car loan

$8000 another car loan

$4000 funeral expenses 

I did it the old fashioned way, lots of hard work and sacrifice. I worked 60-70 hours a week and spent months out of town. We stuck to a budget and did the debt snowball as written.

Embarrassing lesson learned, and I really had to swallow my pride to post this here.

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Rental Property Investor · Ankeny, IA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
7y

I followed the Dave Ramsey method for about 75% of the journey. Then we had to part ways. He is 100% correct when it comes to credit cards (although some have been able to get away with their use to remodel and turn a nice profit). But Dave loses his mind when he states never use credit for anything. My 3.75-4% mortgages on rental properties that are turning at least 15% profit not a good idea? Well, I guess that's my "mistake" to live with. So is my 2.5% car loan that I refuse to pay off because my Vanguard account is making 14%. As a matter of fact, at 2.5-4%, I believe I'll take on much more debt if I can. And I still feel I'm pretty conservative when it comes to my investments.

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  • Lewisville, TX · Member since 2015 · 341 posts · 264 votes
    7y

    I got married recently & inherited a $120k in student & car loans. At the same time had $15k in medical issues come up & paid for a wedding & honeymoon with 150 people. No personal residence as we only can depend on about $45k in income in an area where most of our neighbors make over $200k.

    We also flipped a house for a family member & made $45k but only saw $1k of profits. Despite all those setbacks & financing most of the flip with credit cards & avoiding all but a few dollars in interest we are undeterred. We are refinancing $100k in student loans soon for 4% rates versus 6 & will pay $830 a month for 10 years.

    Still due to syndication investing we have a $125k net worth! And we aren’t gazelle intense we are simply living cheaply & investing & working to outward the 4% rate on the debts. The car loan is gone in 4 years & is only at 3%.

    So I follow Rich Dad not Dave Ramsey!

  • Rental Property Investor · TX · Member since 2019 · 303 posts · 364 votes
    7y

    I too married into debt. $150k in child support debt. Seems like a LOT of us men are smart when it comes to investing, but stupid when it comes to due diligence on our potential spouse!. So as not to hijack this thread, I started a new thread called: "Marrying a partner with lots of debt"

  • Developer · . · Member since 2014 · 520 posts · 162 votes
    7y

    Thanks for the honesty.  I think a lot of us don't have to self-awareness to realize the problem and work to the right.  Good job!

  • Todd DoxzonBusiness Member
    Rental Property Investor · Omaha, NE · Member since 2018 · 11 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Anthony Gayden thanks for sharing! Grateful for your humility and admire your diligence! God bless!

  • Investor · Columbus, OH · Member since 2015 · 625 posts · 601 votes
    7y

    @Gary L Wallman Actually his tenant will pay it off now lol. @Anthony Gayden another great post. After reading some of your posts over the years it's clear that your a very disciplined man we could all draw some motivation from.

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