In Depth Look At My Financial/ Credit Building Plan and Questions

In Depth Look At My Financial/ Credit Building Plan and Questions

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Hello everyone, I am looking to get into REI and am taking a hard look at my financial and credit situation to set real goals that will help me purchase my first property. Although I haven't been analyzing my finances or budgeting at all I have been living below my means for a good while and I believe that I am in a relatively good place to start from. I'm going to explain my situation and ask a couple questions that I would love some insight on. I'd also like to mention that I am in Western Massachusetts and looking to get into the Springfield market if anyone is local and wants to reach out. I appreciate any and all feedback. The questions have been made very visible if you don't want to read the details and thought process.

About me, my income, and my savings.  I am 25 years old, unmarried with no kids, and have been working a steady job and have earned a few pay increases the past 2 1/2 years.  I actually just received another raise which bumped me up to around 52k annually (started at 37k).  During that time I have been able to put away around 17k into savings account while contributing 18% (+4% match) to my 401k.  Now that I am looking into investing I plan on reducing my 401k contribution significantly to increase my cash savings that can be used as a down payment. I recently started using Intuit Mint to analyze my fiances, I plan on making a budget to help save even more.  My goal is to have 20k to invest and to be safe I want an extra 5k to have a backup in case of unplanned costs due to inexperience in the buying process, having vacancy the first months, etc...

Question 1: Does it make sense to minimize my 401k contribution to nearly nothing to speed up my savings for REI?

Question 2: Does it make sense to take everything out of my 401k now to use it on REI considering I am likely in a lower tax bracket now than I will be when I retire?

Question 3: Does it make sense to move the money in my 401k account into a Roth IRA for the same reason as Q2?

So lets talk about credit, I've done as much research as I can and think I have a decent handle on the general concepts but have some questions about details.  First of all let me explain my current standing.  Years ago my parents gave me an "emergencies only" credit card to carry and unknowingly put my name on their account.  This card is rarely used, paid in full every month, and has years of credit history.  It is the only thing contributing to my credit but it gives me a credit score of 789 (reported by Intuit after submitting my taxes).  

While it is awesome that I have very good credit, any lender looking into it will see that it is from a single source where I am not every the primary account holder.  So I plan on getting a credit card, there is a whole bunch of available info online about first credit cards so I think I should be good.  I plan on applying for one that is below what is recommended for my credit range to minimize risk of getting rejected and needing multiple inquires into my credit.  I know in general store cards are not so good but I'm considering getting a Lowe's or Home Depot card so I can use points to buy materials for rehabs.  I also plan on doing a small personal loan purely to pay it off and build credit. I'm a bit concerned though because I have heard of people finishing their final payments on loans and it hurting their credit.  My goal is to diversify my credit while still keeping it above 750.

Question 4: Does the benefits of using points for rehab materials on a Lowe's/ Home Depot credit card outweigh the negatives of a store credit card (high interest, etc...)?

Question 5: Will completing a small person loan lower my credit more than it built over the course of the loan?

Almost done, I just have a few concerns about credit inquiries hurting my credit.  First of all I know that my credit is going to drop (at least temporarily) considering I'm starting from such a high point.  I'm hoping to minimize that drop and build it back up again to be stronger that it originally was because it is more diversified.  So if all is done right I will only need 3 credit inquiries: credit card, small personal loan, and pre-approval for property financing.  Now ideally I would get the credit card and loan first, use the card and pay off the loan, and the get pre-approved with my new stronger credit.  I have heard people say that your credit will temporarily drop a fixed amount after an inquiry but a second or third inquiry in the same month won't drop it any more.  If this is true it may make more since to get all 3 inquiries done in the same month.

Question 6: Will getting all credit inquiries done in the same month significantly lower the amount my credit drops?

Thanks for reading everyone, again I appreciate any feedback at all.  I know you are all very busy and it means a lot to me have this kind of access to advice from professionals.
   

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Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
6y
Originally posted by @Nicholas Rado:

Question 1: Does it make sense to minimize my 401k contribution to nearly nothing to speed up my savings for REI?

Question 2: Does it make sense to take everything out of my 401k now to use it on REI considering I am likely in a lower tax bracket now than I will be when I retire? Does it make sense to move the money in my 401k account into a Roth IRA?


First, congratulations on what you've done so far and being aware of where you want to go. You're ahead of most.

I have a RE focus, so I would reduce my 401k contributions to max the match. That's it. Sounds like 4% for you.

Then I would max my ROTH.  Can't go back and add to that.  Tax free for decades and flexible if you need access to it.

401ks can't be 'taken out' or put into a Roth IRA while you still work there. You may be able to borrow from it but I doubt I would.

I don't play a lot with fico maximizing, but a store credit card wouldn't be my go to.  Low limits.  When I used to play, I tried for low utilization rates below 25% of avaialble. 

Welcome to BP.  I think you're doing great.  Don't rock the boat too much. 

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  • Rental Property Investor · East Wenatchee, WA · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    6y
    Originally posted by @Nicholas Rado:

    Question 1: Does it make sense to minimize my 401k contribution to nearly nothing to speed up my savings for REI?

    Question 2: Does it make sense to take everything out of my 401k now to use it on REI considering I am likely in a lower tax bracket now than I will be when I retire? Does it make sense to move the money in my 401k account into a Roth IRA?


    First, congratulations on what you've done so far and being aware of where you want to go. You're ahead of most.

    I have a RE focus, so I would reduce my 401k contributions to max the match. That's it. Sounds like 4% for you.

    Then I would max my ROTH.  Can't go back and add to that.  Tax free for decades and flexible if you need access to it.

    401ks can't be 'taken out' or put into a Roth IRA while you still work there. You may be able to borrow from it but I doubt I would.

    I don't play a lot with fico maximizing, but a store credit card wouldn't be my go to.  Low limits.  When I used to play, I tried for low utilization rates below 25% of avaialble. 

    Welcome to BP.  I think you're doing great.  Don't rock the boat too much. 

  • Member since 2020 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Thanks @Steve Vaughan, I appreciate the input.  

    I just reduced my 401k at work to 8%. I didn't want to reduce it all the way down to the minimum yet because I'm going to wait to open the Roth account until I have reached my savings goal, which should take less than 12 months. After that I will likely reduce the 401k to 4% and contribute a high percentage to the a Roth IRA to take advantage how powerful the compounding interest is at my age, like you suggested.

    Thanks for the tip on the store credit card.  I knew they were a bad idea for most people but I thought that maybe in this special case they might be useful.

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  • Property Manager · Windsor Locks, CT · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hey @Nicholas Rado, I am in Windsor Locks, a few minutes south of you. I am fairly familiar with Western MA and certainly Springfield as we represent some Boston based investors in the area.

    Question 1: Does it make sense to minimize my 401k contribution to nearly nothing to speed up my savings for REI?

    Yes.

    Question 2: Does it make sense to take everything out of my 401k now to use it on REI considering I am likely in a lower tax bracket now than I will be when I retire?

    Potentially. 

    Question 3: Does it make sense to move the money in my 401k account into a Roth IRA for the same reason as Q2?

    Definitely. Pay those taxes now and enjoy the tax free growth for the next 40 years. This is how the rich do it once they hit the income cap for Roth IRAs. It's called a "back door roth". 

    Get the credit card, leave the loan alone unless you need it. Long term (<2 years) those rejections on your credit won't matter. I'd recommend a citi or cap 1 card. They're pretty liberal, especially if you already have a score established, which you do. 

    Question 4: Does the benefits of using points for rehab materials on a Lowe's/ Home Depot credit card outweigh the negatives of a store credit card (high interest, etc...)?

    Don't let the interest affect you by paying off the card each month. Leaving a balance will also hurt your score. 

    Question 5: Will completing a small person loan lower my credit more than it built over the course of the loan?

    It's a wash, really. The score will drop once you pay off the loan, but will go up, usually within 2 months. Don't get a loan unless you need it, no sense in paying interest just to build your credit. Get a credit card and pay the balance monthly. 

    Question 6: Will getting all credit inquiries done in the same month significantly lower the amount my credit drops?

    Doubt you will see a significant decrease because of the inquiries. I wouldn't look into it that hard. Anything over a 740/750 is equal in the eyes of a lender usually. I.e. you will get the same rates as someone with an 800 score. 

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    Rental Property Investor · Cambridge, MA · Member since 2016 · 634 posts · 415 votes
    6y

    My thoughts are as follows.

    If you'd like to purchase real estate, it might make sense to reduce your 401k contribution to save for your first purchase.  I agree with Steve that you would want to make sure not to reduce below 4% to lock in the match.  I would never recommend not contributing the minimum to get the match.

    I wouldn't take out your 401k funding to invest in real estate (even if you can).  I believe with the CARES ACT, you'd need to show that COVID-19 affected you to be able to take out funding.  Plus, you'd unplug your investments and would be taxed on any 401k funds that you take out.  It also depends on your employer's rules.

    A roth/roth 401k might be a good option for you.  If your employer has a roth 401k option with good choices, you could use this if interested in contributing after tax.  You'd be in a low tax bracket and would be paying taxes on a lower rate with tax-free growth (important with how young you are).

    A Lowe's/Home Depot card's interest rate doesn't matter as long as you pay it off in full each month.  The key to credit cards is making sure you pay it off in full each month.

    Yes, opening up multiple lines in one month or having multiple hard inquiries in short succession will result in a drop to your credit score.  It will likely return to normal in 3-6 months assuming you don't have any negative marks.

  • Financial Advisor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2018 · 294 posts · 165 votes
    6y

    @Nicholas Rado

    Definitely always contribute enough to take the company match, its free money.

    Most employer plans have Roth 401k options, so its worth looking into. Its a potentially easier and better option than a Roth IRA (larger limits and plan loans are available)

    I would not stress out as much about your FICO strategy. Debt to Income ratios play a much larger role. I personally have a Lowe's card, but thats because my wife spends more than a small country's GDP there. Any card will do in reality, just be sure to pay it off monthly.

    You are going to do great if you keep working towards your goals!

  • Member since 2020 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    6y

    Thanks for the replies everyone, some great advice here.  As I said earlier in the thread comments I reduced my 401k to 8% so that I'm still contributing a decent amount while I save for my first investment.


    I actually got pre-approved for a loan recently and everything is looking good, the loan officer that I used is and investor as well and is saying that with my credit, income, and low spending I have a lot of options. I really won't be limited by my lender much at all, I'm pre-approved for a higher amount that I can afford a down payment for (when also considering closing cost, inspections etc...) even with doing FHA or a low down payment conventional loan.

    I haven't gotten a credit card yet because I'm just starting to analyze properties and don't want to make any changes that would effect my pre-approval.  If I don't find anything that makes sense to jump on quickly (not that I really expect to) after a month or two I will get the card anyway because I really shouldn't keep using my debit for everyday purchases for too much longer.

    @Filipe Pereira  I would love to talk about the area and possibly meet up, I just messaged you.  I've connected with a few other investors in the area through BiggerPockets and the realtor I'm in contact with and am trying to make as many connections as possible in the area.

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