How many properties do you hope to purchase this year?

How many properties do you hope to purchase this year?

Katie MillerPro Member
General Manager, Publishing at BiggerPockets · Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 463 posts · 642 votes

Share your goals for 2023! What are you hoping to accomplish this year with your real estate portfolio? What goals did you set and why? Happy New Year!

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I'm not buying at all this year
I'm selling properties this year
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John UnderwoodPro Member
Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
3y

I already have 4 lined up and I'm working on the 1st. Hope to kick my feet up for the rest of the year when I'm done with these 4.

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  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3y

    I already have 4 lined up and I'm working on the 1st. Hope to kick my feet up for the rest of the year when I'm done with these 4.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?

  • Taylor DaschBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Temple, TX · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 700 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.
  • Taylor DaschBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Temple, TX · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 700 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 

  • V.G JasonPro Member
    Investor · Member since 2022 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 


     Managing the risk of 1 making $5k versus 10 making $500 is really how you want to take a look at that.

    And narrowing focus on strictly cash flow will cut you off on real wealth accumulation. You'll be picking up dimes and missing on dollars.

    To answer the question, 3-4. I like to ratio out the purchases, and assess I understand my personal financial situation.

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @V.G Jason:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 


     Managing the risk of 1 making $5k versus 10 making $500 is really how you want to take a look at that.

    And narrowing focus on strictly cash flow will cut you off on real wealth accumulation. You'll be picking up dimes and missing on dollars.

    To answer the question, 3-4. I like to ratio out the purchases, and assess I understand my personal financial situation.

    You're assuming way too many things you have no control over to make this scenario work.
  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 

    1 - OK, if you don't have any money, then how are you planning on getting the next property in your string,...much less the rest?
    2 - Action that costs money, that you won't recover, is worse than not taking action at all.  Do not mistake action for progress.  Bad deals are bad deals,...regardless of how fast you get there.  Focusing on the number of properties will get you in trouble, and will result in making bad decisions, which will lose more money than waiting for good ones.  The idea that a bad deals is better than none is foolish.
    3 - Just because you are adding properties, doesn't mean you are gaining cash flow.  The two are not related to eachother.  Ten properties with negative cash flow is just a big number with a dollar sign in front, and a negative sign in front of that.
    4 - Adding more properties won't change a negative sign into a positive one.
    5 - Adding property isn't gaining equity.  The initial equity you get  is equity you are paying for...it's the down payment.  Any equity you gain after that comes from two sources:
       A - Principle paydown - Slow and useless.
       B - Appreciation.  This is where the money is found, it's free, but you have to be willing to sell it when the time is right...and that time comes very fast.  Building equity in one property loses more money than you gain.  The closer you get to 100% equity, the more money you are losing...exponentially.
    6 - Adding properties for CF is the correct way of doing it, but the focus should be on the CF...not the number of properties, and the only fast way to do it is by selling the properties at specific trigger points.
    7 - There is a step by step system you need to follow that will get you exactly what you are looking for, faster than you think, but not by thinking (rationalizing) that losing money on properties is OK since you are learning.  The lessons you learn this way are very expensive...and completely unnecessary.
    I know this is all coming at you fast and with volume.  PM me for better clarification.
  • John MorganPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Grand Prairie, TX · Member since 2018 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Zero. My wife said she wont allow anymore properties:(. I'm still catching up from buying 5 SFR in 2022. lol. And my cash reserves right now is minimal and underfunded by a lot. So I'll ramp that up hopefully and focus on paying off my 401k loan I took out to buy and rehab RE in 2021.

  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    3y

    Will be targeting the fall unless a great deal appears.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y

    I'm actually looking for a self-storage facility with cashflow equivalent to 10+ single-family homes.

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  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3y

    Is that a unicorn or how hard is that to find?

    I guess you have to find someone willing to sell at the right price?

    And if they are making that much money why would they want to sell?

    If this can be found I would like one of these too!

  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 

    No money - Look for Owners willing to finance the sell or an equity partner that has money to finance the deal. I love buying 30k houses and fixing them up to rent for 1k a month or more. You can almost put this on a CC if you have good credit or use an equity line of credit against the house you live in. If your young maybe your parent can cosign on your first deal or get them to take out a LOC. You can also start of wholesaling to build up a down payment to buy a property.
  • John UnderwoodPro Member
    Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 


     5k a month cash flow is a great goal. It may take a few years and a few properties to get their unless you have a money partner where you can buy a multifamily property and still have room to pay the partner his cut.

    I would make the 5k a longer term goal and focus on what you can reasonable achieve this year. If you overshoot your goal great, but don't get discouraged by setting your initial goal too high.

    Invest in your education. Look for cost effective or free training opportunities. BP has many free training events. Try and find a local mentor. Join a local RE Association if you have once close by and volunteer to help so you can meet as many people as possible who are already where you want to be.

  • Taylor DaschBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Temple, TX · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 700 votes
    3y
    Quote from @John Underwood:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 


     5k a month cash flow is a great goal. It may take a few years and a few properties to get their unless you have a money partner where you can buy a multifamily property and still have room to pay the partner his cut.

    I would make the 5k a longer term goal and focus on what you can reasonable achieve this year. If you overshoot your goal great, but don't get discouraged by setting your initial goal too high.

    Invest in your education. Look for cost effective or free training opportunities. BP has many free training events. Try and find a local mentor. Join a local RE Association if you have once close by and volunteer to help so you can meet as many people as possible who are already where you want to be.


     This is actually a 3 year goal- I purchased two last year and am pretty dry right now unfortunately. Finding a Private lender is on the top of my goal list for this year. Once my properties are completed and rented out, I will be at around 2250 cash flow per month! 

    My goal for this year is to purchase / complete one flip and use that to buy two more properties. A little worried about flipping in this market but if I buy right it will eliminate that worry. 

  • Taylor DaschBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Temple, TX · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 700 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 

    1 - OK, if you don't have any money, then how are you planning on getting the next property in your string,...much less the rest?
    2 - Action that costs money, that you won't recover, is worse than not taking action at all.  Do not mistake action for progress.  Bad deals are bad deals,...regardless of how fast you get there.  Focusing on the number of properties will get you in trouble, and will result in making bad decisions, which will lose more money than waiting for good ones.  The idea that a bad deals is better than none is foolish.
    3 - Just because you are adding properties, doesn't mean you are gaining cash flow.  The two are not related to eachother.  Ten properties with negative cash flow is just a big number with a dollar sign in front, and a negative sign in front of that.
    4 - Adding more properties won't change a negative sign into a positive one.
    5 - Adding property isn't gaining equity.  The initial equity you get  is equity you are paying for...it's the down payment.  Any equity you gain after that comes from two sources:
       A - Principle paydown - Slow and useless.
       B - Appreciation.  This is where the money is found, it's free, but you have to be willing to sell it when the time is right...and that time comes very fast.  Building equity in one property loses more money than you gain.  The closer you get to 100% equity, the more money you are losing...exponentially.
    6 - Adding properties for CF is the correct way of doing it, but the focus should be on the CF...not the number of properties, and the only fast way to do it is by selling the properties at specific trigger points.
    7 - There is a step by step system you need to follow that will get you exactly what you are looking for, faster than you think, but not by thinking (rationalizing) that losing money on properties is OK since you are learning.  The lessons you learn this way are very expensive...and completely unnecessary.
    I know this is all coming at you fast and with volume.  PM me for better clarification.

     1- I use Private and Hard Money to acquire properties at a discount. 

    2-I dont buy bad deals. I think it is very obvious that just focusing on the amount of properties is not a good business model. The key is buying properties at a discount that will cash flow well and give you equity by fixing it up.  I NEVER said buy a bad deal lol I am not sure where you are getting this from. I said take action. Too many investors analyze with no criteria in mind and are too afraid to jump on a deal when it comes across them. 

    3-This is incorrect. If I am adding properties to my portfolio, I am gaining cash flow. I have never purchased a property that did not cash flow. 10 of my properties would be a big number with a dollar sign in front and a positive sign in front of that. 

    4- Adding properties that you buy at a discount that cash flow well ( which is what I have been saying this whole time ) will result in a positive number NOT a negative one. 

    5- Once again, incorrect. I have purchased 3 properties in 2022 where I did not put a down payment. The initial equity that I received is from two sources: Buying the property at an already discounted rate, and rehabbing the property to force appreciation. The one thing we can agree on is that principle pay down is slow and useless and appreciation is where the money is found lol. 

    6-I agree. But to say that people are just buying properties for a number and then not caring about whether they cash flow is ridiculous. The only people who are doing that are the ones that are already wealthy and looking for a tax write off. And if they are not wealthy then they will not be doing that for very long. 

    7- The only thing that I feel came at me fast is the ridiculous idea that someone - especially on this forum - is buying properties just for the sake of adding to their number of properties lol. The whole goal of investing in Real Estate is building wealth and passive income NOT the number of properties. But the number of properties does matter to some extent. 

  • Katie MillerPro Member
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    General Manager, Publishing at BiggerPockets · Denver, CO · Member since 2017 · 463 posts · 642 votes
    3y

    @Nathan Gesner That would be an amazing find! What market are you cornering? 

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
    Quote from @Taylor Dasch:
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     To me it is important because I want to be able to collect 5k / month in passive income. If I could find a heck of a deal and get 5k/ month then I would but there is a learning curve - even if I did find something that cash flowed 5k / month I would have no idea how to get it and the cost would likely be too risky for me to consider. 

    If I scale my portfolio and buy one property at a time while continuing to learn. I'll be able to get something that cash flows very well. The more properties that I get the more that I learn - putting me in a better position to get that big one. 

    That makes no sense, sorry.  How does buying one property a year get you to a property that cash flows very well?  Also, how does the knowledge (specifically) gained by multiple property ownership lead to a "better position to to get that big one"?
    I'm not trying to be difficult.  I'm not trying to deflate your balloon.  I'm trying to get you to a place where your focus is on what matters,...and it isn't the number of properties.

     That is a fair question. First of all I dont have any money, yeah I could search for years on end and find one that cash flows well but then I run the risk of spending all of this time searching and not taking any action. If I slowly gain one property a year, I will first and foremost be building passive income, second I'll be building equity so that when the time comes I have capital to put towards whatever deal I want. For the learning piece I have learned the basics of property management, rehab, and acquisition. 

    To me all that matters is cash flow and I am assuming that is what you mean as well( if not, please let me know) and the most efficient way that I have found to build my cash flow is to buy multiple properties. I dont care if I have one that cash flows 5000 or 10 that cash flow 500 I want the passive income. 

    1 - OK, if you don't have any money, then how are you planning on getting the next property in your string,...much less the rest?
    2 - Action that costs money, that you won't recover, is worse than not taking action at all.  Do not mistake action for progress.  Bad deals are bad deals,...regardless of how fast you get there.  Focusing on the number of properties will get you in trouble, and will result in making bad decisions, which will lose more money than waiting for good ones.  The idea that a bad deals is better than none is foolish.
    3 - Just because you are adding properties, doesn't mean you are gaining cash flow.  The two are not related to eachother.  Ten properties with negative cash flow is just a big number with a dollar sign in front, and a negative sign in front of that.
    4 - Adding more properties won't change a negative sign into a positive one.
    5 - Adding property isn't gaining equity.  The initial equity you get  is equity you are paying for...it's the down payment.  Any equity you gain after that comes from two sources:
       A - Principle paydown - Slow and useless.
       B - Appreciation.  This is where the money is found, it's free, but you have to be willing to sell it when the time is right...and that time comes very fast.  Building equity in one property loses more money than you gain.  The closer you get to 100% equity, the more money you are losing...exponentially.
    6 - Adding properties for CF is the correct way of doing it, but the focus should be on the CF...not the number of properties, and the only fast way to do it is by selling the properties at specific trigger points.
    7 - There is a step by step system you need to follow that will get you exactly what you are looking for, faster than you think, but not by thinking (rationalizing) that losing money on properties is OK since you are learning.  The lessons you learn this way are very expensive...and completely unnecessary.
    I know this is all coming at you fast and with volume.  PM me for better clarification.

     1- I use Private and Hard Money to acquire properties at a discount. 

    2-I dont buy bad deals. I think it is very obvious that just focusing on the amount of properties is not a good business model. The key is buying properties at a discount that will cash flow well and give you equity by fixing it up.  I NEVER said buy a bad deal lol I am not sure where you are getting this from. I said take action. Too many investors analyze with no criteria in mind and are too afraid to jump on a deal when it comes across them. 

    3-This is incorrect. If I am adding properties to my portfolio, I am gaining cash flow. I have never purchased a property that did not cash flow. 10 of my properties would be a big number with a dollar sign in front and a positive sign in front of that. 

    4- Adding properties that you buy at a discount that cash flow well ( which is what I have been saying this whole time ) will result in a positive number NOT a negative one. 

    5- Once again, incorrect. I have purchased 3 properties in 2022 where I did not put a down payment. The initial equity that I received is from two sources: Buying the property at an already discounted rate, and rehabbing the property to force appreciation. The one thing we can agree on is that principle pay down is slow and useless and appreciation is where the money is found lol. 

    6-I agree. But to say that people are just buying properties for a number and then not caring about whether they cash flow is ridiculous. The only people who are doing that are the ones that are already wealthy and looking for a tax write off. And if they are not wealthy then they will not be doing that for very long. 

    7- The only thing that I feel came at me fast is the ridiculous idea that someone - especially on this forum - is buying properties just for the sake of adding to their number of properties lol. The whole goal of investing in Real Estate is building wealth and passive income NOT the number of properties. But the number of properties does matter to some extent. 

    OK.  Ease up there partner.  I never assumed you were buying bad deals,...I never assumed you weren't,...my comments (if you go back and read them) agree with everything you just said above.  They were focused on the problems of focusing on the number of deals instead of the number of dollars.  If you go back and read some of my other posts, you'd see that I am 100% on the side of your comment #2.
    Now, I will comment on each number above:
    1 - I use private money, but haven't used HM in so long I couldn't quote the going rates for it.
    2 - Agree 100%.  In my defense, you never said any of this in previous posts.
    3 - Obviously if #2 is in play, this is automatic.
    4 - Must have missed the part where you said your properties were all cash flowing well.  You did mention your goal is CF.  I should have assumed that if that was your goal, you weren't buying properties any other way.  My bad.  Sorry.
    5 - You never mentioned you were buying properties with little or no out of pocket.  Let me add here that's the only way to buy.
    6 - This comment is gold...or green at least.  It amazes me how many times I read on this site, the REI is rationalizing negative CF, or some other loss, by saying it will appreciate down the road, and then...  Whenever I read that, I just assume that REI can't add or subtract, and loves to speculate (risk).
    7 - This comment couldn't be more accurate, and whenever I read it makes my head spin, my stomach turn, and I thank my math teachers in school.  They were the ones that gave me the background to eventually understand the power of the number sequence 1073741824, and why I never make a decision in REI without that number in mind.
  • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    @Joe Villeneuve it’s important because of Ego. It doesn’t matter how much money I am making as long as I can tell people I own 50 properties!

    All of the local meet ups I go to the most important thing always seems to be door count. I have always found it funny because one door in a certain suburb is worth 20 doors in the ghetto so who cares how many doors you have?

    But then I remember how wonderful I feel when I tell people how many doors I own and it all makes sense :)

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  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

    @Joe Villeneuve it’s important because of Ego. It doesn’t matter how much money I am making as long as I can tell people I own 50 properties!

    All of the local meet ups I go to the most important thing always seems to be door count. I have always found it funny because one door in a certain suburb is worth 20 doors in the ghetto so who cares how many doors you have?

    But then I remember how wonderful I feel when I tell people how many doors I own and it all makes sense :)

    Door count is how you keep score.
  • Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:

    I didn't realize the number of properties was important.  Is the number of properties important, and if your answer is yes,...why?


     :) right respond here.

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Oxford, MI · Member since 2018 · 5 posts · 2 votes
    3y

    @Nathan Gesner Any good SS deals out there?

  • Weatherford, OK · Member since 2017 · 22 posts · 11 votes
    3y

    We purchased 2 properties in 2022 and we need to focus on maintenance and capital improvements in 2023. 

  • Investor · Durham · Member since 2021 · 15 posts · 11 votes
    3y

    @Katie Miller I would like to at least add 2 properties this year.

  • Investor · Concord, NH · Member since 2016 · 9 posts · 5 votes
    3y

    @Katie Miller I'm hoping to complete my first BRRRR, so just 1 property. I've been house hacking a duplex since late 2019 and have built up substantial equity from the housing boom which allowed me to to get a HELOC. I would like to build a business around the BRRRR method and am currently working with lenders and wholesalers to get the ball rolling!

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