Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
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They may be charging you for the labor of paying the utility bills. Why wouldn’t you put the utilities in your own name and sign up for auto payment? (Through the utility or your bank.) Seems like an easy way to save money.
Property Manager · Denver, CO · Member since 2023 · 236 posts · 204 votes
3y
Markups for things like utilities, HOA dues, property taxes, insurance, and even 3rd party contracted maintenance are starting to become way more popular. But, it should be explicitly stated in your management agreement. Read it carefully.
Also, ask your PM if they are marking up any other expenses. You may be surprised at other things you missed in the mgmt agreement.
To answer your question whether it is even legal, it all depends on your state/local laws. In most states, yes, it is legal as long as such mark ups are explicitly written and agreed to in the mgmt agreement.
This is what happens when you don't take the time to understand how PMC's work and read everything!
They are charging you for their time to handle utilities and corresponding bills. A flat fee would be more appropriate UNLESS they are putting utilities in their name instead of yours.
You could try to negotiate a flat fee with them if you keep the utilities in your name (only when vacant), but have sent to them to process & pay.
Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
3y
They may be charging you for the labor of paying the utility bills. Why wouldn’t you put the utilities in your own name and sign up for auto payment? (Through the utility or your bank.) Seems like an easy way to save money.
You guys are right. I reread the terms and it's true that they are charging that fee for handling utilities. I just didn't have that in mind and somehow thought that utilities cannot be overcharged by law. I am an out-of-state investor, so I didn't have a second thought about handling the bills after the tenant vacates. I will handle the utility bills from now on. Thank you all for the precious comments and advice!
Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
3y
When you talk to the utility companies ask if they have a “landlord option/policy/made up name” thing you can sign up for. In Las Vegas I can have the utilities automatically switch back in to my name when tenant leaves. Then new tenant switches to their name before they get keys. For me it means rehabbers have water and power, and the gas comes any doesn’t have to come out and confirm working appliances before turning gas on. For MN it means the heat/gas stays on. Pipes don’t freeze.
When you talk to the utility companies ask if they have a “landlord option/policy/made up name” thing you can sign up for. In Las Vegas I can have the utilities automatically switch back in to my name when tenant leaves. Then new tenant switches to their name before they get keys.
I have seen Owner "leave on" utility agreements in many locales, BUT, for a rental it is not ideal. We always just contact the utility and set up "interim" service between tenants. In the past, we have had a number of occasions where the tenant stopped paying the utilities, so the billing switched over to the Owner, who was not a fan of actually reviewing his bills and/or bank accounts, so did not notice the changeover. The Owner ended up paying because the tenant was long gone by the time they did notice. And no, we do not charge extra for handling routine payments of any kind.
Property Manager · Indianapolis · Member since 2017 · 303 posts · 146 votes
3y
This is very common in our market, it's to cover the administrative cost of managing the payment each month. This is only done with us when properties are vacant or if a utility is covered. We do allow our clients to manage that themselves if they wish to.
When you talk to the utility companies ask if they have a “landlord option/policy/made up name” thing you can sign up for. In Las Vegas I can have the utilities automatically switch back in to my name when tenant leaves. Then new tenant switches to their name before they get keys.
I have seen Owner "leave on" utility agreements in many locales, BUT, for a rental it is not ideal. We always just contact the utility and set up "interim" service between tenants. In the past, we have had a number of occasions where the tenant stopped paying the utilities, so the billing switched over to the Owner, who was not a fan of actually reviewing his bills and/or bank accounts, so did not notice the changeover. The Owner ended up paying because the tenant was long gone by the time they did notice. And no, we do not charge extra for handling routine payments of any kind.
We've seen the same thing WAY TOO OFTEN! This is why we exhort owners to let us handle the utility coordination. It does come at a price, yet I find that what we are hired to do is to allow our owners to redeploy their time into HIGHER VALUE, which is exactly what dickering with utility companies is NOT.
Property Manager · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2022 · 150 posts · 59 votes
3y
We also require the tenant to put the utilities in their name before they get the keys. When the home becomes vacant, we will call and get the utilities switched back into the owner's name until the home is rented again. We pay the bill for the owner and it is put on their monthly owner's statement. We don't charge extra on top of the utility bill when we do this. It is just included in our management fee. Try to keep the billing simple and also less headache for the owner. Since you are hiring a management company to take away the headaches of managing the property, this would be one that you would not want to deal with!